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Mark In WV

09-02-2012 17:41:16
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Have a DLTX10 and tractor wouldnt run unless the load needle is open...wont run on idle valve only...So I have taken it apart and cleaned it out...some of the brass plugs are stuck and cant be removed....backfires and wont idle, but runs ok under lite load or at higher rpms. Any ideas???




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Bernie/MA

09-02-2012 18:25:31
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Mark In WV, 09-02-2012 17:41:16  
Popin John fixed mine that I was sure was junk.



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Mark In WV

09-03-2012 09:18:01
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Bernie/MA, 09-02-2012 18:25:31  
I was thinking of sending mine to Roberts Carb....Who is Poppin John???



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Popinjohn

09-03-2012 14:37:47
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Mark In WV, 09-03-2012 09:18:01  
http://www.popinjohn.com

Mike Shelby



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John T

09-02-2012 18:00:52
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Mark In WV, 09-02-2012 17:41:16  

Been there done that..Shes never gonna run right until you remove those brass drill plugs and use the No 40 and No 53 extra long aircraft drill bits (got mine from Roberts Carb) to drill out all the passages behind them. If you heat the plugs just till they start to give off that funny off (green/blue/aqua) color and then stop n let em cool they usually come right out. Id also remove the vertical center bore nozzle and clean all its tiny holes along with the side economizer plug.

John T

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Kurt_JDB

09-02-2012 18:08:43
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to John T, 09-02-2012 18:00:52  
That sure is a nice lookin' carburetor John T. I'm about to start putting the engine back together on my "basket case" 1938 B. Hope to get mine lookin' that nice.

Kurt



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John T

09-02-2012 18:51:30
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Kurt_JDB, 09-02-2012 18:08:43  
Thanks, A long time ago I had Roberts go through it then later I did it again and installed a lot of the new Brass components you see and re drilled the passages and worked on the economizer after Duane Larson heard it and advised it needed more cleaning.

UNFORTUNATELY its kind of gummed up n varnished again despite my use of Sta Bil and two cycle oil for years when it sits 9 months at a time. I need to go through it and remove n clean the nozzle since for the first time in several years (always started first or second pull every year) she failed to start last week and I traced it down to a carb problem. Oh well, sittin months at a time is soooooooo hard on them

No rest for the wicked I guess

John T

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Kurt_JDB

09-02-2012 17:59:37
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Mark In WV, 09-02-2012 17:41:16  
Sounds like you have a clogged idle passage in the stem. There is a so called "secret" passage in the stem behind a brass plug. It is smaller diameter than the bore for the plug, so it is easy to use the wrong size drill bit when cleaning it out.

The way I go about getting all the plugs out (thanks to FIT for this idea) is to build a nice charcoal fire and lay the carb body in the coals and leave it there "till the next day. The plugs will then turn right out and even the nozzle may fall out.

After you have all the plugs out use aircraft size number drills -BY HAND- to clear out the rust from all the passages. A place like Roberts Carburetor can sell you the right size drill bits.

You can get the nozzle out of the stem by running a tap into it, and then put a piece of threaded rod into it, and using some nuts "n washers make yourself a little slap hammer to draw out the nozzle. I forget the tap size off hand, but you should be able to figure it out by seeing what is the largest number drill that will fit in the end and then look at a tap chart..

Good luck!

Kurt

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husker44a

09-03-2012 19:40:01
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Kurt_JDB, 09-02-2012 17:59:37  
7/32" drill bit.......1/4"-20 tpi Tap.... 1-1/4"x 2 1/2" bolt, 2-1/2" flat washers, 1-1/4"flat washer , 1 1/4 " nut. This is what I used. Also, works great for pulling stuck rifle shell cases out of the reloading die. Lay the 1/2 " flat washers on the carb stem then stack the 1/4" flat on top of the other washer. Install bolt stug after drilling and tapping. Thread the nut on the bolt install the bolt in the carb nozzle. Once seated tighten the 1/4" nut. Out the nozzle comes !!!

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Popinjohn

09-02-2012 20:39:45
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Kurt_JDB, 09-02-2012 17:59:37  
Carbs that are put in a fire to heat the brass plugs usually wind up with the tension gone out of the detent springs and balls for the idle mix and load mix needles. Then they have to be dug out and many times the detent ball can not be staked "just so" for the ball not to fall out if you happen to remove a mixture needle for some reason. I use a small mapp gas torch to heat each brass plug individually, and sometimes if you first try to tighten the plug just slightly, it will unscrew with no problem.
MikeS.

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Kurt_JDB

09-03-2012 04:42:22
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Popinjohn, 09-02-2012 20:39:45  
Well, Mike, that"s a decent precaution. I haven"t had that problem myself in the 6 or so carbs I have put in the fire, but I see your point, and i"ll give your method a try on the next one.

Kurt



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B-maniac

09-02-2012 22:18:01
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 Re: JD Unstyled B carb issues in reply to Popinjohn, 09-02-2012 20:39:45  
Good advice Mike. Guy could have the thing all rebuilt by the next morning when the fire pit is cool. Maybe 30 seconds per screw? I don't understand.



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