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Josh Brown 06-20-2012 09:18:42 64.134.155.132 Report to Moderator	I have two issues with my 1964 John Deere 2010 and would appreciate any help I can get. Just for a point of reference, the hydraulic fluid is NEW and filled to the proper level, filter was just changed as well. The front end loader works relatively fast. It does have a small hydraulic fluid leak from the clutch linkage housing. BOTH problems below were existing when I purchased the tractor. 1. The 3 point hitch will not raise or lower. The cable that runs up to the console was removed from the little control lever before I got it. I have tried the control lever (on right side of seat) in both directions with the setting lever (left side of seat) in L, LD, and D settings with no results. One time and one time only, the hitch randomly raised. I moved the control lever, it went back down and hasn"t raised since. Bizarre! 2. The power steering is super slow sitting still. It does turn much better when I"m moving, even with the extra weight of the loader but when you are not moving, it is an act of congress to turn the wheels. Ironically and if I go super slow it will turn the wheels effortlessly. It is almost as if the pump is clogged or something but I don"t know where to start looking. If you are interested in buying the tractor, hit me up........lol [Reply]   [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-25-2012 09:31:10 67.142.163.20 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Christos, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Josh I wasn't trying to discourage you but 2010's don't have the best reliability record on the planet.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-25-2012 04:29:20 67.142.163.25 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Ed Whitford, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Josh Brown Look at it this way. You keep the 2010 and you'll be as an experienced JD 2010 tech as Jo Bird!!!!! :wink:   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-25-2012 07:44:42 166.147.72.32 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Tx Jim, 06-25-2012 04:29:20   So I'm guessing that post implies I'll be working on it a lot :-) Maybe I should spend my time workin on a tractor ad instead, lol.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-24-2012 03:39:51 67.142.163.20 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to B-maniac, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Sorry for the duplicate post. This post was edited by Tx Jim at 04:26:04 06/25/12.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-24-2012 03:39:15 67.142.163.20 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to B-maniac, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Parts keys 16 & 17 are the o-rings Jo Bird is referring to.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-23-2012 05:30:13 67.142.163.27 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Rwolfejr, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Josh The leak could be just a blown o-ring on the hyd pump.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-23-2012 14:39:53 166.147.72.23 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Tx Jim, 06-23-2012 05:30:13   Dont you have to split the tractor to fix that? If so that is WAY over my head!   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-23-2012 18:56:37 65.37.29.14 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-23-2012 14:39:53   No need to split the tractor, the pump will drop out the bottom of the bell housing. Three bolts and un hook the lever on the left side, about a 30 minute job give or take. All O rings ect are still available from JD, I did one for my brother last year. If you want to attempt it let us know, there are a couple things that will make it easier. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-23-2012 20:59:47 166.147.72.29 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-23-2012 18:56:37   Well if it is that simple I'm game. I cannot see the source of the leak. It is filling the bottom of the bell housing and coming out a bolt hole in the bottom, center. I'm guessing it is. King from somewhere on the back side of the pump. It would be so nice to know what I was looking at, lol.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-24-2012 19:01:07 65.37.29.162 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-23-2012 20:59:47   One thing I left out is you have to drain the fluid OUT before removing pump.. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-24-2012 16:00:27 65.37.29.162 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-23-2012 20:59:47   Ok,game on.. LOL.. Referring to Tx Jim's pictorial picture. Release the pump drive # 25 by pushing down on #28 . 1) remove # 33 pin and take out shaft #31. 2)throw a 1" strap down the round hole on the rt side of the case , go under the pump body up over the top of the drive line and back out the hole. Have some one hold the strap ends to hold up pump when you take out the last bolt.. it gets real heavy.LOL. 3)I'm working from memory on which bolts the top 2 are. Remove one of the two out side bolts in the top row of three. It should measure 5" long +/-, if it measures 3" put it back in and go one bolt lower. 4) After you find the first bolt take out the corresponding bolt on the other side. 5)Referring to the picture again take out the 3rd bolt #44.(all 3 bolts are the same length that hold the pump to the case, the other shorter bolts hold the sections of pump together) Now here's the trick.. remove the bolts completely before you try to drop the pump out of the case. With the bolts out it will just come out.. remember to install in the reverse order as U took it out. After you remove the pump it's up to U how far into it you want to go. I took it completely apart and replaced all the rubber seal ect , you can price the parts and see what U want to do. Good luck and more questions please ask. Jo PS; It will be easier to check the valve with the pump out..   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-24-2012 20:41:14 108.223.139.89 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-24-2012 16:00:27   Man do I wish I had your "acquired" knowledge! I'm thinking a trip to your neck of the woods might be bennificial, lol. I guess the real question is, what do I start on first? I can deal with a leak for a while, and the steering works half way whn I'm moving, but I can't so much as mow my pasture until my hitch will work. I'm guessing checking the valve should be my fist thing to do. One question. I really only know motorcycles but sometimes on a bike there is a shifter "y" or yoke that sits on a lobe and if you over rotate the control lever it will fall off. Is there any chance that is what happened to my 3-Point control lever? The cable push rod was disconnected when I got it and I just got to thinking, maybe it got over rotated and fell off some kind of pivot point?   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-25-2012 09:16:45 65.37.17.254 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-24-2012 20:41:14   Josh The most important thing is getting the power steering working again as it is given priority over all other functions. The other functions wont come back until it's fixed. I was afraid when you said that the loader valve was changed, that it had been replaced with a closed center valve as you said it had by the previous owner..finding it and replacing it was the first step to repairing the tractor. The result was as you now see is the hdy pump was dead headed and now the pump is leaking..or some other seal is leaking who knows what other things were done to the tractor by the previous owner?? May be he thought un hooking the 3 point would help. The issues have to be sorted out one at a time. That being said I would start with the control valve, it has a gasket that could be leaking as well as being plugged. I'm NOT an expert by any means, just trying to help , heck trying to fix a motor cycle would be way, way over my head.. A good manual will help a lot, the JD one is expensive but worth it if you plan on keeping the tractor. It explains in detail how to do many of the things you may need to do. You will be sinking money into it to repair previous neglect. Go slow, do one thing at a time. Let me know if you wish to continue or more questions.. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-25-2012 09:42:04 166.147.72.15 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-25-2012 09:16:45   Well I guess I have to plunge in. I'll probably check the valve on Tue eve so expect a post, lol.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-22-2012 05:47:54 67.142.163.24 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Pete in MD, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Josh If you're mechanically inclined you can repair the hyd leak on the 2010. I don't mind giving help but a 2010 isn't my favorite JD tractor.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-22-2012 06:02:58 166.147.123.156 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Tx Jim, 06-22-2012 05:47:54   I am. I just do not have any tractor experience whatsoever. I post here when I identify the leak.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 06-22-2012 04:29:24 67.142.163.24 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Neven, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Josh I'm 50 miles from Dallas but I wouldn't want to work on a 2010 even if I wasn't disabled. Do as Jo Bird suggested as the hyd pumps although not easy to work on aren't impossible. The real difficult part to repair on the hyd's on a 2010 is the rockshaft.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-22-2012 05:26:33 166.147.123.146 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Tx Jim, 06-22-2012 04:29:24   The irony is, I used to be a motorcycle mechanic, however this is a COMPLETELY different animal. Shoot I had to buy bigger wrenches to even change the loader control valve. I appreciate all the help, I'm just a bit overwhelmed. Thank You!   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-22-2012 21:37:19 65.37.16.62 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-22-2012 05:26:33   Josh I still believe you need to check the valve as I stated earlier.. but your statement about changing the loader control valve has me wondering. Could you post the model or serial # and brand of the valve or do you know if it is an OPEN center or CLOSED center valve? Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-23-2012 04:51:49 166.147.123.151 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-22-2012 21:37:19   The valve came from Northern Tool here in Dallas. Not sure of model # but it is open center. The valve that was on there was closed center and would make the engine bog down if the pump lever was engaged and you weren't using the loader control so I changed it out. I haven't had time to thoroughly check it out but I took a brief look yesterday afternoon and it looks like the fluid is coming out somewhere behind the big metal case (I'm assuming that's the pump?). I'm hoping to spend some time with the leak and valve on Sunday.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-21-2012 20:04:22 173.84.192.12 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   I'm to far a distance to stop by and take a look , Central NY to be more specific , but don't throw in the towel just yet. Pull the square plate off the bottom of the bell housing and look up in to see where it's leaking from. Look under the steering column and see if it isn't something simple like a fitting getting loose or maybe one of the rubber hoses burst. If you don't see any dripping oil, starter up, LOL, just don't get hit by a stream of oil.. let me know the progress or lack of. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-21-2012 20:20:33 108.223.139.89 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-21-2012 20:04:22   Copy. Yes NY is a little far for either of us to drive, lol. I'll hang in there for a bit :-) I just pulled the cover off and power washed the crap out of it so once it dries I'll get up in there and check it out. I'll try to get some pics if I can. Thanks so much for your help.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-21-2012 06:52:18 173.84.192.12 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   The remote and loader are fed from another internal passage way up from the hdy pump in the front transmission cover, thus they are not effected by the proportioning valve. Only three things I have found, have affected the system as you describe. 1) a blockage in the valve, 2) the pump being starved for oil from a clogged filter, 3) bad hdy pump. You put in a new filter so that should not be it and the loader raises so the pump should be okay. Let me know what you find.. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-21-2012 07:04:58 108.223.139.89 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-21-2012 06:52:18   Sounds complicated! Lol. I'm standing here in front of it now and that hydraulic leak coming out of the front cover that "was" small, has now left a puddle the size of a small swimming pool under my tractor in 2 days. Great! Know any mechanics near Dallas, TX? I'm pretty sure I'm in over my head! Josh B. 214-810-0844   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-20-2012 12:25:01 173.84.195.157 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-20-2012 09:18:42   Josh No guarantees, but the first place I would check is the oil pressure regulating flow control valve. It is inside of the transmission front cover. Look in the round hole in front of the rt floor board. Their is a small triangular cover with 2 bolts, it is right behind the supply line to the power steering. Un hook line and slide up out of way, check holes in valve to be sure their clear and spring is not broken. A couple of studs made from all-thread about 2" long help to reassemble and a new gasket of course..let us know what you find. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-20-2012 16:03:47 108.223.139.89 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-20-2012 12:25:01   Does that affect the hitch as well as the power steering?   [Reply]  [No Email]
Jo Bird 06-20-2012 20:48:35 173.84.195.157 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Josh Brown, 06-20-2012 16:03:47   Josh Yes, common to both elements. Power steering is given priority over the 3-point. If all is well with the flow control valve, my next concern would be how is the loader supplied with hdy power ? If plumbed wrong it could cause problems as well. You could unhook the lines to the loader and cap them to see if that relieves the problems. Jo   [Reply]  [No Email]
Josh Brown 06-20-2012 21:41:07 166.147.72.144 Report to Moderator	Re: John Deere 2010 3-Point Hitch Issues in reply to Jo Bird, 06-20-2012 20:48:35   I'll check the valve in the next day or so. There is a lever on the console to the left of the hitch lever. If you raise the lever it sends power to the loader. If you lower the lever it send power to another hose in the same location (back behind the seat on the right, just beside the 3-Point control lever). The return from the loader control valve goes into the fill port on the right side of the case just above the footboard. Thanks   [Reply]  [No Email]