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John deere mid-mount PTO

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Joseph micah

07-08-2009 16:33:01
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Hey guys I bought a John Deere 3010 and got it home and notice it has a mid mount PTO along with a rear PTO. Is this rare for a 3010 desel. or is it normal. Thanks




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sodly

07-09-2009 09:25:45
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Joseph micah, 07-08-2009 16:33:01  
As JMS said it could also power a front-mount snowblower. I have a JD 270 snowblower (aka "rotary snow plow" in JD speak) and the manual shows photos of a front-mount kit with the blower mounted on a 3020 powered by a drive shaft from the front ("mid") PTO. There is also a gear box show between the PTO and blower. I think it reversed the direction of rotation, if I recall. Doesn't the front PTO spin backwards?

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regularguy

07-09-2009 11:02:05
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to sodly, 07-09-2009 09:25:45  

sodly said: (quoted from post at 09:25:45 07/09/09) As JMS said it could also power a front-mount snowblower. I have a JD 270 snowblower (aka "rotary snow plow" in JD speak) and the manual shows photos of a front-mount kit with the blower mounted on a 3020 powered by a drive shaft from the front ("mid") PTO. There is also a gear box show between the PTO and blower. I think it reversed the direction of rotation, if I recall. Doesn't the front PTO spin backwards?


Well, I guess you learn something new everyday. I was unaware that John Deere had a snowblower or rotary snow plow that could use the mid pto shaft. I suppose that most of those ended up on the 3 point hitch in the back, but I sure would like to see one mounted up front. Thanks for the info.

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JMS/.MN

07-08-2009 17:54:29
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Joseph micah, 07-08-2009 16:33:01  
I don"t know if it was standard or optional, but my 3020 has it- I thought it was standard. You could run the side mount mower with it, but I used mine for a sprayer pump when I had saddle tanks on the tractor. Left the pump on year round, just removed the belt for other pto work. Very handy idea. Could also power a front mount snow blower. 1000 rpm only.



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Wilamayb

07-08-2009 18:41:34
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to JMS/.MN, 07-08-2009 17:54:29  
I know for certain that it was optional b/c it is listed in the price pages. It may have been standard equipment, but it could have been ordered without for a price deduct.

I'd have to check my operators manual for sure, but I dont think it is 1000 RPM. I For some reason I'm thinking it is much faster. For some reason 2100 is stuck in my head.

As we've all said before everyone needs an operators manual. It leaves out all this "assuming".

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Tim S

07-08-2009 19:37:00
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Wilamayb, 07-08-2009 18:41:34  
They may have been an option, but I have never seen one without,, the 10 seres front shaft turns the same as what is in the rear,, the 20 seres turns 1,000 no matter what shaft is in the rear.



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Wilamayb

07-08-2009 19:53:44
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Tim S, 07-08-2009 19:37:00  
So I am way off with the speed then.... The only reason I knew that it was an option is because it was listed in the price pages for a late 4020. I suppose it may have not been optional on 10 series.

It has never been used on my new gen. I pondered if there was ever a piece of Deere equipment outside of a sickle mower for use with the mid PTO?



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regularguy

07-09-2009 05:40:29
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Wilamayb, 07-08-2009 19:53:44  

Wilamayb said: (quoted from post at 19:53:44 07/08/09) So I am way off with the speed then.... The only reason I knew that it was an option is because it was listed in the price pages for a late 4020. I suppose it may have not been optional on 10 series.

It has never been used on my new gen. I pondered if there was ever a piece of Deere equipment outside of a sickle mower for use with the mid PTO?


We discussed this a while back and I asked the same question. Was there ever a John Deere implement other than a sickle that utilized the mid power take off shaft and no one could think of one, including Tim S and he is about as knowledgeable about John Deere tractors as anyone could be. Many people will tell you how they hooked something up under there to use that pto shaft, but I believe that the sickle was the only factory manufactured item to use the mid pto. My next question then was could John Deere have put them on all those tractors just so they could power a sickle mower if they wanted to? John Deere must have had other plans for the mid pto, like front mounted implements, but still the mid pto is in a somewhat difficult location to be useful for front implements. It would be interesting to know what their true intentions were.

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buickanddeere

07-09-2009 19:23:51
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 Europe in reply to regularguy, 07-09-2009 05:40:29  
Something else that never took off here but is all the rage in Europe is a front mounted rockshaft/3 point hitch.Along with a front pto They think us daft for pulling equipment behind the tractor and turning around to watch it.



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Tim S

07-09-2009 09:52:08
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to regularguy, 07-09-2009 05:40:29  
I agree Deere must have had other intentions for the mid shaft, but it,s located so close to the clutch houseing that it barely lets you get a side-mount drive belt on, noway could a shaft run off of it without dropping the power line down bellow the oil pan , as far as the gear box on the snow blower it was probably takeing the speed down to 540, when you look at the direction of rotation it's the same as the rear, we are just looking at it from the front now.I have seen sprayer pumps run off of it but they didn't work out well, just to close to the belly.

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sodly

07-09-2009 11:42:37
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Tim S, 07-09-2009 09:52:08  
You're probably right about reducing the PTO speed. But wouldn't it also have to reverse the rotation? If the front and mid PTOs are fixed to each other and spinning the same direction wouldn't the front one be spinning the opposite direction (relative to the front-mounted implement)? That is, if the rear PTO turns CW the mid would be turning CCW. I don't think the snowblower would work very well turning the wrong way. Just a thought.

An example of this type of blower, front-mounted, can be seen here:

http://samsphotos.freeyellow.com/P1010052.jpg
This post was edited by sodly at 11:47:51 07/09/09.

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Tim S

07-09-2009 17:28:41
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to sodly, 07-09-2009 11:42:37  
Yes it does seem like the rotation would be backwards, I'm sitting here twirling my pen thinking about it :^)



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Wilamayb

07-08-2009 16:37:25
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 Re: John deere mid-mount PTO in reply to Joseph micah, 07-08-2009 16:33:01  
It was optional. It can be used for all sorts of things including a hydraulic pump or even a mid mount sickle mower.



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