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John Deere A 3 Point Hitch

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mitch

02-12-2004 19:25:20
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I was thinking about putting an aftermarket 3 point hitch on my 46 JD A. Could i still hook up to a hay tedder, hay rake or anything 3 point hitch, and it perform like any other tractor with a factory 3 point hitch. i like using newer tractors to do farm chores but it would sure to nice to get the A out in the field to rake some hay or move some pallets with a set of forks. i just dont want to buy the aftermarket hitch and find out later it won't do what i need to do.

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Leroy

02-15-2004 16:11:08
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 Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to mitch, 02-12-2004 19:25:20  
What was not mentioned and is the most important item is do you have the straight power lift with foot pedal or power troll? power lift only up or down, no inbetween like power troll. Tractor could have either.



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JDVan

02-13-2004 15:52:25
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 Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to mitch, 02-12-2004 19:25:20  
Don't forget you are dealing with a 1946 A, not one post mid 1947. The hitch frame is different. An 800 hitch requires the mid 1947 or later type Draw Bar frame.



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Ralph

02-14-2004 08:51:55
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 Re: Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to JDVan, 02-13-2004 15:52:25  
Parts book shows drawbar change at 561903. BMy brother's 578xxx (purchased Nov 46) which I always thought was a '46 has the pan seat but new style drawbar.



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JDVan

02-14-2004 13:14:27
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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to Ralph, 02-14-2004 08:51:55  
The 1947 model year A's started at serial number 584000 so your brothers A is a 1946 model A. I think the difficulty we are encountering here is that the drawbar frame changed at serial number 561903 which is the mid 1946 model year not the mid 1947 which I incorrectly stated. For some odd reason I had in my head the seat and the drawbar changed at the same time, but that isn't true. The seat changed at serial number 584000 the beginning of the 1947 year models.

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ChuckW

02-13-2004 09:05:33
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 Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to mitch, 02-12-2004 19:25:20  
I've use the original John Deere 800 hitches and made my own center link off an M&W set up. I also made quick release sway arms to the unit. I can send you a photo if you like....I found that with the front end being light you definetly don't want a load shifting while raise....this could through you completely out of control. 3 point will work, the lift is a little light probably will pick up about 600-700 lbs max.

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WILLY

02-13-2004 09:33:19
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 Re: Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to ChuckW, 02-13-2004 09:05:33  
Hey Chuck what does this M&W system look like as far as the top link mounting? I am not sure I have ever seen one of them.



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dave2n

02-13-2004 06:00:53
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 Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to mitch, 02-12-2004 19:25:20  
Mitch-
I have a 48 A with a Saginaw 3 pt. Great aftermarket three point and yes, it will work for anything you want to do and won't interfere with conventional hook-ups.
I use a 5 ft. hog and also have a 3 pt. carryall; my only caution is that at times, the front end gets a little light when going up hill with the implement raised. The A's and B's don't have a whole lot of weight up in the front end.

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Mike M

02-13-2004 04:44:26
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 Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to mitch, 02-12-2004 19:25:20  
One more thing too. These tractors are light on the front as most of the weight is on the rear.Something like 70% so front end weight may be needed.



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John T

02-12-2004 20:00:10
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 Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to mitch, 02-12-2004 19:25:20  
Mitch, Ive had several A's or B's, 60's or 70's etc over the years with after market 3 pt hitches and yes, you ought to be able to hook up to most any standard 3 pt attachments. The one variable Ive noticed with diferent brand hitches is how and where the top link attachment mounts, and Ive seen that cause some problems concerning the length of the top link you use and Ive noticed some differences in the lenght of the PTO shaft on some equipment which didnt fit quite just right. Still, I think Ive always been able to hook up and use most equipment, with only minor modifications, if any. There can be different ways of accomplishing "anti sway" (side to side play) on different hitches, from chains to stiff arms etc, but thats important in some equipment to keep it stable.

The lift wont be "live" and theres no draft control like on the 20 series true 3 pt hitches, but for just lifting in general, you can get by fine.

Good luck n God Bless

John T

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JDVan

02-12-2004 21:02:20
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 Re: Re: John Deere A 3 Point Hitch in reply to John T, 02-12-2004 20:00:10  
John T has made some good points but i would like to add a few more. There is a full range of aftermarket 3 point hitches avaialable for the JD letter series tractors. However, keep in mind that on your 46 A you have the older style drawbar frame and does not provide the support of the newer drawbar frames that were on the mid 1947 tractors and above. This will require that any aftermarket hitch you plan to use will need to only mount to the rear axles and not use the drawbar frame for support.

Secondly, be judicious in evaluating really how heavily built the aftermarket hitches are. There are some that are not built heavy enough, especially one that will only have the rear axles to attach to. Also look carefully at the concept used to reduce or eliminate sway. Most damaged hitches I have seen have been due to inadequate or none at all, sway protection.

An additional item to check is what bracketry is used for the Top Link Brace. First it needs to be very heavy but more importantly in the right position to create the right 3 point geometry for the implement in use. The better hitches offer multiple top link attachment positions. But equally important is verify that the bracket will not interfere with the hydraulic outlets on your Power-Trol. Many have in the past.

As John mentioned, also keep in mind that you will have a three point hitch compatability but will not have the features and capability of an "Active" top link, meaning no sensing of the load through the top link to provide draft and load control. This was the key feature of the patented Ferguson system and did not appear on JD tractors until the 1953 JD 40 and then later on the 20 series JD RC tractors in late 1956 for the model 1957 tractors.

Hope this helps a bit.

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