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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

MF 124 baler does not tie

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KEH

09-04-2005 16:57:39
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My MF 124 baler is not pulling the twine off the bill hooks on both sides. It has new needles installed and timed professionally. The dealer is not that familiar with 124s and can't help on the tieing problem. It has 3 hay dogs on top and 2 on the bottom. One outside one on top was not working well and I have freed it up. I have loosened the twine tension. Knives appear to be sharp. I would appreciate any help.

KEH

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Jim.UT

09-05-2005 07:29:54
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 Another idea in reply to KEH, 09-04-2005 16:57:39  
You said you have brand new twine in the baler. That got me thinking and I had a memory flash in the middle of the night last night.

When you thread twine into a baler you run it through the ends of the needles and then tie it off somewhere. Then you start the baler and cycle the knotter so that the needles place the twine in the twine disc where it needs to be.

With my Ford 542 baler which uses a knotter design similar to the JD and NH balers, the twine knife is on the wiper arm so that as the knot is swept off the billhook, it also cuts the twine. With the MF124 knotter there is no wiper arm. The twine knife is stationary and the billhook swipes the twine across the blade to cut it as it twirls around making the knot.

When you first string the baler, there is nothing that cuts the twine the first time because no knot is being tied....all you're doing is placing the twine in the disc. After cycling the knotter you have to cut the twine by hand. Othewise it's still tied to a fixed point on the baler and will never come off the billhook. I learned this the hard way. My first bale would always fail and I'd have to shut everything down to pick the mass of knotted twine off the billhook. Subsequent bales would work fine.

I don't remember if I learned about cutting the twine after feeding the twine disc by reading the manual carefully or if someone here clued me in.

Just a thought.

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Jim.UT

09-04-2005 17:34:33
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 Re: MF 124 baler does not tie in reply to KEH, 09-04-2005 16:57:39  
I assume from your description that the knotter is making knots on both sides OK, but that the knot is not coming off the billhooks. Is the problem on both sides or just one?

That baler does not have a wiper arm to clean the knot off the billhook like the JD and NH balers do. Instead the knot is supposed to be pulled off the billhook as the bale is pushed down the chute.

Obviously the knot should come off before the knotter cycles again. It sounds like you're saying the knot is not sliding off the billhook, so I assume the twine is eventually breaking as the plunger continues to move the bale down the chute.

I used to have a 124 but I was never an expert on them. I'm trying to figure out what could be going wrong. Some random thoughts that come to mind:

  • Billhook position is not quite right, making the angle wrong for allowing the knot to be pulled off. I can't remember if that billhook is idiot-proof or if it's possible to install it in the wrong position.
  • Billhook might be old, rusty and/or pitted and needs to be shined up
  • Knot is too tight on the billhook. Might be a twine tension issue?
  • Twine is old and weak in spots (longshot).

    Let us know what you figure out.

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    fac

    09-12-2005 20:24:30
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     Re: MF 124 baler does not tie in reply to Jim.UT, 09-04-2005 17:34:33  
    One other thing to look at is the inside of the cylinder on the knotter. On ours, there is a yellow plastic cap in the top of the cylinder that eventually connects to the billhook (under the top gear). The cylinder is hollow and contains a spring mechanism that I think runs part of the release. We started by pumpong this full of PBlaster when we got the bailer and eventually got all of the crud and solidified grease out of there. Now we hit it each day during the maint andit really helps the knotter and the release off of the hook.

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    KEH

    09-04-2005 17:44:04
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     Re: MF 124 baler does not tie in reply to Jim.UT, 09-04-2005 17:34:33  
    Jim, Thanks. Twine is new. Will check other points.

    KEH



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    shoeie

    09-05-2005 06:55:27
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     Re: MF 124 baler does not tie in reply to KEH, 09-04-2005 17:44:04  
    Just something else you might look at. I had
    a simular problem with a NH baler some years
    back. The porcelain twine insulators the twine
    runs through were worn badly and holding too
    much tension on the twine making it hang up
    on the bill hooks, turned the worn insulator 180 degrees and fixed the problem. Might look
    at them. Just a thought.



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    NHBalerman

    09-04-2005 19:24:18
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     Re: MF 124 baler does not tie in reply to KEH, 09-04-2005 17:44:04  
    I worked on a International one time,has the same knotters and it was doing the same thing,he didn't have the twine routed right,we done it correct and it went to work,why I don't know,not that familiar with those knotters. I am looking for a old International,I want to have a challenge these New Hollands ain't no challenge no more.I know that this is a long shot but it happened one time and hopefully you will get lucky too. HTH

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