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allis chalmers round baler

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mark tucker

04-13-2005 20:01:10

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can any body tell me what to look for in a allis chalmers small round baler. wanting to find one fix up and use.. wanting to use with a compact tractor. have always like the way they looked. I've seen a bunch of them lately sitting around. also found one that had been in the shed all of its life. I thought the price was a bit high. 800 bucks.

don't like the square balers as they seem to create a lot of force on the tractor. needing to bale about 50 to 100 bales per year.

just want something to play with. thanks mark

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Ken Baker

04-15-2005 13:59:24

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
I have 2 of them I'll give you if you hual them away. I used to put up any where from 750 to 1000 bales a year with the white top one. The other one I have is a solid orange, don't know what shape it's in as it was given to me about 5 years ago. That was the last year I ran a rotobaler. Found a old JD14T to use. They got moved outside about that time also, had to make room in the shed. I'm in north centarl missouri if your interested.

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Josh H

04-15-2005 17:24:25

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to Ken Baker, 04-15-2005 13:59:24  
I think a 14-t would be better to use. I have one, and nearly any tractor can pull it, it pulls so easy. Probably find a real nice one for less than the round baler, mine works and looks good and cost $250.

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04-14-2005 19:02:27

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
Look for one that has been inside most of it,s life those belts are real high to buy. Just a guess but would think 5to6 hundred dollars for spliced belts. More for endless plus labor to install. If that one that is inside has good belts etc.offer him 600.00 for it. Like everone has said the windrow makes them bale better. If everything is right you can bale all afternoon and never get off the tractor. If hay is alittle wet then you have problems. Oh yea be sure and oil anything that looks like it might move even if it has been inside. I didn,t do this with mine and it took while to limber up to work good kind like me.

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04-14-2005 13:43:11

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
This comment is coming from someone who really grew up with one. Dad bought a new one in 1949. Ran it with a WC, no live power, until 1956, when we bought the WD45. WC had the throwout lever for quick stops, but he had to clutch to restart. He baled up to 6500 bales each year, our own and custom work. Total repair during those years was getting one part welded, twice, total cost of about $15. Cast part, locking the throwout arms together. Neighbor who kept pulling the override to make bigger bales (It started the conveyor again)- broke belts. Most important thing about getting a good bale is to make a good windrow. ie- if you can make a good windrow for a square baler, rake two of them together to make a good windrow for a Rotobaler. You need two windrows, side by side, to fill the conveyor with a windrow 3-4 feet wide! Dad, rest his soul,told me that so many times! With a current big round baler, you can weave side to side- YOU CAN NOT DO THAT WITH A ROTOBALER! You are making a bale with 50-60 lbs of hay, not 1500 lbs, so you need a uniform windrow. Grass hay is easier to make into a good windrow- straight alfalfa is harder, since it makes a tighter windrow. The later version, maybe a white top, had the option to continue driving while the twine was wrapping. That was a joke with a normal windrow- the conveyor could not hold enough hay for the twine to wrap. For your use, don't be scared about a Rotobaler- nor by the price if it is so cherry- 100 bales per year is one wagon load.

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04-14-2005 13:11:27

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
I have one of these and I used it last year. Let me tell you, you will be surprised how fast it makes a bale-or should I say how often you have to stop and let it tie and dump. I had so much trouble with mine clogging up that I finally quit. And, no, I wasn't going to fast for it to feed. I'm sure there are old timers out there who have used these balers years ago and never had any trouble. But I know what I went through with mine. Though it was fun and I only got it to play with (it was free) I would hate to know I had to bale 25 bales with it, let alone 25,000!

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John (MO)

04-14-2005 07:07:15

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
I put a few bales through one when I was a kid. Several thousand a year I'd guess. Now mind you, that was 2 or 3 years ago. A lot of those old balers have been setting outside for years and they usually sell for $50 to $150. I have no idea what new belts would cost for one but wouldn't be at all surprised if someone said $500. In that regard, one that was stored inside and that didn't need anything before being put to work might be worth several hundred dollars.

I don't think the balers were hard to run. Yes, you did have to make a good windrow to follow, it can't be a little one the size of a 5 gal bucket around, or a big one the size of a 300 gal tank around. It needs to be about the width of the bars that carry the hay up the deck, but not too heavy. And the hay has to be dry, you can't bale green hay with them or they will plug up bad. But we all knew these things back when... You do have to stop for each bale to tie and kick out of the baler. There was some sort of adapter that AC tried to work out that would allow you to continue, but I never saw one, and can't imagine that they worked very good. The baler was designed for the hay to stop going up the deck while a bale was tied and kicked out.

For the amount of hay you say you are going to bale, any baler is quite an investment, but if you want one as a toy to play with, then money isn't really that big a factor. The roto baler will do a good job for you if the belts are good and it is properly adjusted.

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Drake Prarie

04-14-2005 07:00:53

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
Be sure and have a live PTO,we used to have two Allis round balers and pulled them with two Oliver 66's. Youdidn't have to worry about the slip clutch on the drive shaft, the 66's had plenty of power to pull them and if something plugged them up it would just kill the engine. We baled about 25,000 bales ayear with them and left most of it out for the cattle to eat. You need to talk to someone who has operated one. Sounds a little high unless it is in real good shape.

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Tx Jim

04-14-2005 10:27:45

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 25,000 stops??????????? in reply to Drake Prarie, 04-14-2005 07:00:53  
How often did the brakes on tractor have to be replaced.I have to stop for my rd.baler to tie and that comes very often.I can't imagine having to stop for a 50#/60# bale.Tx Jim

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John (MO)

04-14-2005 12:28:54

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 Re: 25,000 stops??????????? in reply to Tx Jim, 04-14-2005 10:27:45  
Well I don't recall running fast enough that you really had to use the brakes to stop, not unless you were baling going down hill. You stoped every 30 feet or so, all depended on how heavy the windrow was. Never used any tractor other than an AC, with either the hand clutch or power director. I would think a 2 stage foot clutch would have been a huge pain in the seat of the pants, but there sure were a lot of people who used roto balers with all sorts of tractors.

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04-13-2005 20:56:19

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to mark tucker, 04-13-2005 20:01:10  
Them old roto balers can be a hand full to use. You have to do the windrows just right and then it can still be fun. I used one for one summer and got rid of it because it would clog up very easy and the belts would then get all mixed up.

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Tx Jim

04-14-2005 04:47:15

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to old, 04-13-2005 20:56:19  
Old,did baler kick out bales while moving or did you have to stop for each bale?Jim

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Old Farmer

04-14-2005 16:02:38

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to Tx Jim, 04-14-2005 04:47:15  
You had to stop and let it tie each bale.Then it kicked it out and off you went again.I ran one for 10 years and think I once baled 10 bales in a row without getting off the tractor to mess with the baler,etc.When baling alfalfa the press roll would always be a little damp and the twine would wrap around it instead of going back to the bale.If you let the alfalfa get too dry then you lost all the leaves.They worked best in prairie hay.

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04-14-2005 08:15:18

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to Tx Jim, 04-14-2005 04:47:15  
You know I don't remember I think it kicked them out when it was ready I don't remember ever haveing to stop

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04-14-2005 05:48:24

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to Tx Jim, 04-14-2005 04:47:15  
Never operated but watched one as a kid and have talked to several who have baled with one. You stop for each bale while it wrapped the twine and kicked the bale out.

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04-14-2005 20:15:12

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 Re: allis chalmers round baler in reply to Sid, 04-14-2005 05:48:24  
Unless you had one of the rare ones with the bypass conveyor to the front and overdrive tie. Most were converted back to regular Roto-Balers.

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