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How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow?

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Fighting suburbia in NC

07-17-2003 08:13:05
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Ran across a couple of 5 bottom mounted plows at a local used farm stuff yard. Not sure of size because I didn't have a tape measure. There were a couple of IH 5's and what looked to be an Oliver 5 with gauge wheels. Them things are large. This being tobacco country we always used cutting disks and a Rotavator to turn the sandy loam/light clay instead of bottoms.

It is obviously a CAT II mount but what size HP does it take to make one of them work? Just curious.

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Pat

07-17-2003 14:32:32
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
In the late 60's, I worked for a neighbor who had an 806 internaitonal (90+HP) with a semi-mounted 5-16 plow. It was a good match, in Kansas soil, running about 3 1/2 MPH. I had a lot of fun running it.



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paul

07-17-2003 11:51:11
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
I'm only familiar with what is called semi-mounted plows of that size - the lower lift arms lift the front of the plow, and the rear has a wheel with a cylinder on it to lift & lower the rear. Was this a truely 3-point fully mounted 5 bottom plow, or was it a semi-mount?

Soil conditions make so much difference. Here in the clay of southern MN where the ground is heavy & sticky, a 5-18 plow needs at least 130 hp, more would be appreciated.... I used to pull a 4-16 plow with a very strong 85 hp tractor, and made it work too hard doing it. I now pull a 4-18 plow with my 135 hp tractor - and there are conditions that make it smoke with that load!

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

07-18-2003 20:40:41
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 Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow in reply to paul, 07-17-2003 11:51:11  
paul : I think you better take that 135 hp tractor for a check up 100 hp will pull 5x18 anywhere anytime soil is tillable.



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dorseyi30

07-17-2003 11:34:37
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
All the IH MOUNTED PLOWS I HAVE SEEN HAVE A LAND WHEEL. THE PLOW IS PICKED UP WITH 2 POINT &HYD CYL ON LAND WHEEL 560 ON UP WILL HANDLE AROUND HERE



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Roy in UK

07-17-2003 11:23:31
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
We used to plow with a 5 X 14" with a MF1100 and it handled it (and lifted it) OK in most conditions. Something I have noticed though, the older American tractors were pretty poor in the lift department. I suppose it is because reversible plows are more popular in Europe, and therefore need more 'grunt' in the hydraulics.



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markct

07-17-2003 10:56:05
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
the weight of the plow outa the ground is what will be the worst, i have a ford 8000 and i have a JD 4 bottom mounted plow, i could plow with a smaller tractor probably, but i doubt it would lift it, the 4 bottom is over 8 ft long, so a 5 bottom is probably closer to 10ft, thats alot of weight that far back, my tractor has no problem lifting it, but i wouldnt try to lift it with anything smaller,i have a friend who had it on a 60 hp MF, that was just to carry it home, and at that time it had 2 bottoms missing frogs, shares, and moldboards, so it had considerably less weight on it, i doubt that 60 hp MF would even lift it with all the parts on it, so i would think that a 5 bottom plow would take a tractor of about 100 hp or so to lift it and carry it easily

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Hugh MacKay

07-17-2003 10:15:48
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
15 hp per bottom depending on couple of items; width of bottom, plowing depth and type of soil. In light sandy soil 16" bottoms 8" deep 12hp per bottom. I wouldn't take 5 bottom fully mounted plows home at $100. per dozen. Too much weight when out of ground. That weight 10' behind your hitch point is damn heavy. It will take a bigger tractor to travel the headlands than it will to plow.



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Fighting suburbia in NC

07-17-2003 11:08:56
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 Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-17-2003 10:15:48  
About what I figured - if you load enough suitcase weights on the front to balance the plow the tractor will bow upward in the middle when you lift the plow. You would have to have a 20 foot wide edge around the field to swing the plow around for the next round. Big open fields are not the norm in this area, too many small tree-lined fields around here to use something that big.



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Ridr

07-17-2003 11:51:36
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 Re: Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 11:08:56  
Can you post a pic of it ?? LOL , I have a JD 4 bottom with a ground wheel that I pull with a AC 200 , can't imagine a 5 bottom mounted , holy cow ...bet you could do some good wheelies with that baby on back !!



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thurlow

07-17-2003 18:51:43
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bot in reply to Ridr, 07-17-2003 11:51:36  
Thousands and thousands of 'em around in the '60s, 70s and 80s, before no-til. Usually pulled by then "state-of-the-art" 90 HP tractors; 4020s, 806s, 190XTs, 1100s, 8000s, etc......



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Roy in UK

07-17-2003 12:12:03
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bot in reply to Ridr, 07-17-2003 11:51:36  
Never seen a 5 furrow mounted! Wow you Americans have never lived!LOL What would you think to one of these ?:-

http://www.rgknightandson.co.uk/machinery.html

check out that fully mounted plow



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Tim(nj)

07-17-2003 19:25:14
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 in reply to Roy in UK, 07-17-2003 12:12:03  
That plow is a typical north European design. For the soils there, it is strong enough. However, typical American plows tend to be twice as heavy. Probably why we have so many semi-mounts.



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Roy in UK

07-17-2003 23:49:07
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much tractor for mount in reply to Tim(nj), 07-17-2003 19:25:14  
some of the soils over here aren't exactly 'light', you should see some of the clay soils they get in Essex. I went to an agricultural show over here just recently and I kid you not, some of the implements, including plows look more like heavy artillery than for agriculture. Some of the larger tractors built in Europe have lift capacities of 8 tons or more. I ask myself at times though, what does all that enormous equipment do to the soil after a while? you should see some of the subsoilers they market over here to bust up the pan created by such huge tackle.

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Max

07-17-2003 15:15:23
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 in reply to Roy in UK, 07-17-2003 12:12:03  
We had a 4 bottom fully mounted that we used to plow the ends of large fields and some small ones. Pulled it with a 1850 Oliver. It made the front end lighter than the 6x16 semi-mounted that we used on the big fields.



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dd

07-17-2003 09:22:32
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 Re: How much tractor for mounted 5 bottom plow? in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 07-17-2003 08:13:05  
I would say at least probably 90 hp depending on the depth you want to pull it at.



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