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markct

06-29-2003 09:08:22

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a friend of mine has been trying to figure out a way to wrap small square bales. i have seen machines that wrap the large square bales, and of course the round ones, but i dont know if they make anything to wrap small ones,has anyone dones this before or heard of a way to do it?

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John51

06-30-2003 18:41:17

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

See it done all the time. My Amish neighbors have a wrapper that wraps them tight for silage. They stack four wide and four high, squeeze them down, push them in and do sixteen more. Standard size bales must weigh 80-90 pounds. They only stack them 3 high on the wagon. They use J.D. 327 and 336 balers with no problems, but I wouldn't want to buy a used baler from them!
By the way- they did 3900 bales that way in a day and a half! I got tired just thinking about it.

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kyhayman

06-29-2003 20:12:21

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

With a single bale wrapper you put a 4 bale x 4 bale rick on the table and wrap. Need a wrapper with a solid floor belt.I would be real concerned about twine. Need to use plastic as I havent seen untreated small square twine. Also would be real worried about getting the baler to tie in wet enough hay to make baleage.

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Shep VA

06-30-2003 05:35:20

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Re: Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to kyhayman, 06-29-2003 20:12:21

I agree, if you can somehow get 4 bales to sit togeather the hay wrapper could wrap them. Maybe if you stacked 4 bales in a stack and tied them togeather with some twine the wrapper could handle them.

Also my 4 belt wrapper will do big square bales and should do a cube of 4 small ones, it depends more on the tension on the belts then how many you have. I have also never had any problem with treated twine. Everyone says that treated twine will react with the plastic, but I have been wrapping treated twine for years with no problems.

Just my 2 cents.

Shep's World

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Gary in TX

06-29-2003 19:48:42

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

Why would you want too????? Thats what barns are for.

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chaney creek

06-29-2003 17:35:44

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

How bot putting them on a pallet and stack 10-12 bales and wrap them with that shipping wrap they use at the freight lines. I'd leave the top open for a while to let the dry somemore. Hadn't tried this but it sounds good.

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paul

06-30-2003 07:53:56

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Re: Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to chaney creek, 06-29-2003 17:35:44

I'm guessing the point here is to make balage - silage. You don't want any oxygen - that makes mold & rot. So he wouldn't be leaving the top open. You want it wrapped air-tight, so the good bugs work in an O2-free enviornment and produce their pickle juice.

Would take a good baler to make 40% moisture hay without problems. Handling them - just seems like more work that you'd get from it. Putting up hay quicker without worrying about rain is appealing tho! :)

--->Paul

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Shep VA

06-30-2003 10:45:43

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Re: Re: Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to paul, 06-30-2003 07:53:56

Yeah, I never thought of that, but if your baler would bale 40% hay that would be a huge bale to move. My 320 NH baler would probably do that, but it would take one of the bigger industrial size balers like that to make hay that tough. You would be better off to round bale the hay and wrap it and let the tractor move them around.

We have been wet wrapping all of our hay for years, and for the most part we take the weather out of the picture. We can mow one evening and if it is a hot day the next we can bale within 24 hours or less of when we mow and have 35-45% hay and wrap it up. We can also bale the hay in the rain or at night if we have to to get it up as long as we monitor the moisture and weight as we go. Lets us make lots more high quality hay, faster then trying to dry bale it.

I think it would be tough to square bale and wrap for baleage though. You really need a round baler or a big square baler to do it.

Shep's World

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markct

06-30-2003 13:00:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to Shep VA, 06-30-2003 10:45:43

yep thats exactly what he has, a NH 320, that thing will pack a darn tight heavy bale, sure takes some hp to do it tho. he had messed with the idea last year of balage, and i know he made a few green bales, but then he couldnt figure a good way to seal them well enough. his baler will ceartainly do it tho, he had made bales we could hardly lift.

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Shep Va

06-30-2003 13:53:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-30-2003 13:00:59

Yeah, I love my 320 baler. You are right that thing will bale anything you put in front of it. I did have to start using 7200 twine though instead of 9000 to hold the bales togeather. I run about 125 HP tractor in front at about 480 RPMs and mine has the NH pan kicker. The 320 will easily bale 40% hay but what you do with it once you have 100# bales I dont know. Maybe you can modify a pallet shrink wrapper to make it do the small bales.

Good luck and let us know what you find out, I may want to wrap some small bales for some reason one day.

Shep's World

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larry

06-29-2003 15:34:06

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

friend of mine used a trench silo for round bales and then covered them maybe make a stack and cover with plastic have also heard of people using vacum pumps to remove air

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tlak

06-29-2003 11:23:21

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

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paul

06-29-2003 09:20:31

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Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to markct, 06-29-2003 09:08:22

You end up with a volume vs surface area issue. You would be using so much plastic for such a small volume, I'd think it would be cheaper to buy a round baler than the amount of plastic you would need?

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markct

06-29-2003 10:02:52

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Re: Re: wrapping small square bales in reply to paul, 06-29-2003 09:20:31

yea but i dont think he is planning on doing a large volume of bales, its more or less just a hobby farm thing

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