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Questions on wire tie bailer

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Farmallb

04-14-2018 12:40:16




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The manual says, that the twister hook should be on top of the twister rod and pointing at the back of the bailer when starting the twisting mech.
It says that after the hook makes 1 full revolution and comes up back at around the 11 00 position, that THAT is when the wire cutter should cut the wire. Adjust the cutter to that point.
Ive done that. BUT, when the twister hook has made the rest of its revolutions, it ends up at 180o difference from where it started. At the bottom of the rod and facing towards the front of the bailer.
Does that mean I still havnt got something right, and if so, what should I do to fix it,
OR
that that IS where it SHOULD end up, for all succeeding ties?
IF that's where it should end up for ALL succeeding ties, then It SHOULD bale. IF NOT, I don't know what to do now.

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Tx Jim

04-17-2018 09:41:18




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
Following manual should be more correct than following my instructions as I've never repaired a JI Case sq baler. Good Luck.



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Tx Jim

04-17-2018 03:47:52




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
JD sq baler twister shafts/hooks are powered by bevel gears. The twister hook start/stop position is the same location.
Your baler may operate correctly BUT I don't understand your technique on how you installed the chain.



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Farmallb

04-17-2018 07:01:59




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-17-2018 03:47:52  
The manual says, to take off the chain leading from the twister hook mech to the cutting mech. That done, trip the twisher hook mech and spin the flywheel until the twister hook has turned 1 1/2 to 1 5/8ths turn, which puts the point of the twister hook at the 11 00 position. Then, take a piece of wire and put it in the cutter jaws and turn it until JUST at the time it cuts. The reattach the cutter mech chain back on the twister hook mech, and your timed, hopefully.

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Tx Jim

04-16-2018 16:27:28




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
I've never timed wire twister hooks as you outlined. I hope it will wrap the wires together on more than 1 bale but I have my doubts.



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Farmallb

04-16-2018 17:26:59




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-16-2018 16:27:28  
Gee what a booster you are lol. Tell me, how did you time them on a JD Bailer?



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Tx Jim

04-15-2018 14:58:01




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
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SORRY but I missed reading that your drive chains were NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Farmallb

04-16-2018 13:23:50




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-15-2018 14:58:01  
Pard, IF I havnt got it, IM LOST. I cycled it 3 times with the twister hooks pointing straight back.
THEN I cycled it again letting the hooks turn 1 1/2+5/8ths turn which put the hook up at the 11 00 position. THEN, I put a wire in the cutter, and with the chain off that connects the hooks to the cutter, turned the cutter till the second it cut.
I then set the chain on between the 2, adjusted the cutter gear to match up with the chain at the point where the cutter shaft was and tightened the gear down and put the chain back on.
Kinda wore me out. I had to figure out how to adjust the idelar pulley that is between the engine and the flywheel. Then I had to get a bolt and 2 nuts to put into the hole that the lever that you engage that pulley by hand would go in, as the bolt that was there wouldn't fit the lower holes. I didn't know this till I had walked 100ft to my tool shed to get another bolt and 2 nuts as I twisted the original off.
Then I dug out all the hay in the chamber, which was TOUGH. Then I removed all the hay from the roller packer drum next to the chamber. While that drum aint light, it aint all that heavy either, Just enough to make you glad when you were finished lol. Then onto the tying mech. I also had to make a trip back to the tool shed to get a long crowbar to get the hay out of the chamber.
All that's left is tightening the table aprin and im ready to bale, hopefully. Think ill wait till tomorrow.

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Farmallb

04-15-2018 17:52:24




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-15-2018 14:58:01  
That's alright. Thanks for any help.



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Tx Jim

04-15-2018 09:56:38




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
Does chain have a lot of wear in the pins/bushings?



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Farmallb

04-15-2018 11:44:12




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-15-2018 09:56:38  
AGAIN I say, ALL the chains having ANYTHING to do with the tie mech ARE NEW



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Tx Jim

04-15-2018 09:55:08




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
Where do points of twister hooks end up on 2nd or 3rd cycle of tying system?



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Farmallb

04-15-2018 11:45:58




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-15-2018 09:55:08  
I will look to see where they end up on the 2nd/3rd cycles tomorrow if it warms up as they say it should.



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Tx Jim

04-15-2018 03:55:51




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
EDIT: I accidentally prematurely hit "send". If hooks are powered by chain how "worn" is chain?

Twister hooks should remain in ""same location before & after"" tying cycle is completed.



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Tx Jim

04-15-2018 03:51:25




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-14-2018 12:40:16  
My wire tie sq baler knowledge is repairing mostly JD & a few NH balers but no JI Case balers. On both JD & NH twister hooks when in home position must have point of hook facing rear of baler so tied wire can more easily pull out of hook & from around twister shaft. Are twister shafts powered by a roller chain similar to NH balers? If does chain have correct number of links



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Farmallb

04-15-2018 08:53:02




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Tx Jim, 04-15-2018 03:51:25  
Ive never known or been told or read that there were a certain number of links in the chain. The chain is TIGHT. It is no longer than 2ft max if that. It is powered by a gear coming off of the rotation shaft. b It is tight.



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Farmallb

04-15-2018 08:55:45




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 Re: Questions on wire tie bailer in reply to Farmallb, 04-15-2018 08:53:02  
IF< I cant get it to END UP facing backwards, would it be more important for it to start wherever it may, and then end up backwards?



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