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Rein_Quest · Feb 11, 2018

I'm a bit confused about why everyone who makes smaller implements basically only make two types. Trailer sized for an ATV/UTV or 3 point.

I just don't get why it's not a more even split. Everything I can think of still has a drawbar but not everything has 3 point.

showcrop · Feb 11, 2018

Not sure that I understand the question, but I think that you are asking why you can't get drawbar implements that are larger. I could give you the simplistic answer that the manufacturers make what sells, but I know that you already know that. I believe that part of it is that a person can generally mount and use a much larger and heavier implement on a three point than hooked to a drawbar. There are some very big and heavy drawbar implements, but they use wheels and hydraulics to handle the weight, and there are very few ATVs with hydraulics.

farmerwithmutt · Feb 11, 2018

I think where your going .It would be nice
to have good trailer type equipment for
older tractors.One thing comes to mind is
bush hog you can buy a three point easy
enough but how do you pull that with an m or
60 without three point.

Rein_Quest · Feb 11, 2018

Maybe I asked it in poor word choice. I've been looking at things like an 8' disc harrow. Everyone makes a 3 point one. Which is great if you have a Kobota or maybe an 8n. But they still have drawbars on them too just like the very capable H or M.

So what I don't quite know is why the drawbar implement died so completely. I know it would cost a little more to add wheels and hydrolics. I sort of figured they'd make more of what sells best but still make the other because even that Kobota, by example, could still pull a trailered one.

As a side comment I understand in the field the weight distribution is better but wouldn't hauling it lifted be kind of hard on a tractor?

DeltaRed · Feb 11, 2018

the mfgers make what is popular.What sells. Very few still use 'drag along' implements anymore. maybe Amish but that's about it.It's all about profit.So buy the old antique and horse drawn equipment and repair/rebuild/restore.......

rrlund · Feb 11, 2018

There's enough old pull type equipment out there yet to fill the market need for it. If there wasn't,somebody would fill it.

Adirondack case guy · Feb 11, 2018

I don't know where you are located, but around here we have a large population of Amish and Mennonites. They have their own companies and dealers that mfg. and sell equipment like you are asking about. Definitely a nitch market.
Loren

farmerwithmutt · Feb 11, 2018

Hauling gets fun when the front end of the
tractor comes up getting enough weight on
the front of a small older tractor can be
tricky. With a disc you also have to think
about how much the front end will sink into
the ground . The Amish around here trying to
modernize buy up all the small disk. You
have to be lucky and find a decent disk that
by the time you get done fixing with new
bearings and blades etc you will have a good
chunk of cash tied up.
At one time you had equipment that was three
point and for a little extra you could put a
hitch on . I think land pride still does
this and the drawbar is an option.

old · Feb 11, 2018

Well if you think about it ALL the tractor made now days have 3 point on them so why should a company want to make equipment for the old tractors that do not have 3 points on them since the old ones are in many ways obsolete plus one can buy aftermarket 3 point hitches for most any tractor that did not have 3 point

Rein_Quest · Feb 11, 2018

Even if all the new tractors today have 3 point there are still advantages to the older pull implements.

For instance when it's pinned up you can pull it down the road with a truck to where the fields being worked. There's a lot of reasons you want to do that.

For the record I was going to buy a 3point aftermarket but everyone I talked to says it's likely to fail because they just aren't built heavy enough. If you have one I'd like to know how it's worked for you.

farmerwithmutt · Feb 11, 2018

Draft control also well cause problems. Look
at where the three point is hook on .

DeltaRed · Feb 11, 2018

I don't know who told you the aftermarket hitches "fail". All the ones I've seen are well built,they can hold more than the tractor.Oh sure,you get a defective weld once in a while,but not much.Unless it was a poor quality homemade one with skimpy parts. Seen plenty of those.BTY,I currently own 4 tractors(SH,M,SM,400) with 'aftermarket' hitches. Never had an issue with any one of them. Even when it's so overloaded the tractor wont even lift.

DeltaRed · Feb 11, 2018

Draft can be an issue sometimes. But by using a gauge wheel,or putting a stop block on the cylinder,the effects are neglegable.

old · Feb 11, 2018

I have found that some of the aftermarket 3 points do not work well or hold up well to things like a plow due to the heavy pull etc.

Rein_Quest · Feb 11, 2018

(quoted from post at 14:28:37 02/11/18) I don't know who told you the aftermarket hitches "fail". All the ones I've seen are well built,they can hold more than the tractor.Oh sure,you get a defective weld once in a while,but not much.Unless it was a poor quality homemade one with skimpy parts. Seen plenty of those.BTY,I currently own 4 tractors(SH,M,SM,400) with 'aftermarket' hitches. Never had an issue with any one of them. Even when it's so overloaded the tractor wont even lift.

I tried asking for advice on another thread for what to get or look for when I pick an aftermarket 3pt. I revived comments about people twisting them while pulling.

I don't really know how to use draft control or what that even is but I figured on a way to try and get the depth pretty close every time you lift and drop it.

I intend to pull moldboard plows, disc harrows, and cultivators. These are the implements I'm having the most difficulty sourcing. Might just post an item wanted and see if that has more luck.

old · Feb 11, 2018

Draft control is thing built into many tractor with 3 point that when a plow or other such machine gets into a hard pull the draft control will left up on the plow automatically so as to keep form getting the tractor stuck etc.

SVcummins · Feb 11, 2018

My guess is that most of the modern implements are sized for
hobby farmers and food plot farmers and use on larger gardens in
which cases a fully mounted implment is a lot handier to use and
manuver in such small areas and also cost as you mentioned

DeltaRed · Feb 11, 2018

depends on the hitch I guess....I put the 3 point on the SuperM in about '81/'82. It has pulled a 3 bottom rollover plow,carried a 6 row mounted cornplanter,carryed a full rack of wts to hold the front down.The hitch itself has never broken,but I have had to reinforce the mounts a couple of times. Broke the clamps around the axle.

fastfarmall · Feb 11, 2018

If you can buy a Allis Chalmers, Or a IHC, 12 0r 14 disk, you can cut them down pretty easy, cut the frame and narrow them down to half of it was originally,including the rock shaft for the wheels, and you got 6 OR 7 FT disk, and you got spare for almost ever!

Traditional Farmer · Feb 12, 2018

Many of the aftermarket hitches are built as strong or stronger than original hitches and work just as good or better.That said some people can and will tear up anything they use no sense
using the tractor and try to do things far beyond what they size tractor or implement is suited for.And if the hitch doesn't get broken something else will.

Rein_Quest · Feb 12, 2018

I might still get that 3pt I see in Steiner parts catalog. I just worry about blowing a $1000 an breaking it on heavy pulls.

I still have to wonder because I don't think the drawbar mounts were ment for that weight. A drawbar pulls from under the tractor not the back axle. Which is where the 3pt bolts down.

old · Feb 12, 2018

On many of he aftermarket 3 points I have seen they also hook up in some way to the draw bar or draw bar mounts so the lower arms do in fact pull pretty much in the same area as the draw bar. Also a draw bar is made to handle large pull type loads but not heavy down ward loads. Most pull equipment puts very little weight on the draw bar but a lot of drag pull weight

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