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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

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Rein_Quest

02-11-2018 00:56:12




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I'm a bit confused about why everyone who makes smaller implements basically only make two types. Trailer sized for an ATV/UTV or 3 point.
I just don't get why it's not a more even split. Everything I can think of still has a drawbar but not everything has 3 point.




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Rein_Quest

02-12-2018 14:24:05




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
I might still get that 3pt I see in Steiner parts catalog. I just worry about blowing a $1000 an breaking it on heavy pulls.
I still have to wonder because I don't think the drawbar mounts were ment for that weight. A drawbar pulls from under the tractor not the back axle. Which is where the 3pt bolts down.



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old

02-12-2018 15:52:55




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-12-2018 14:24:05  
On many of he aftermarket 3 points I have seen they also hook up in some way to the draw bar or draw bar mounts so the lower arms do in fact pull pretty much in the same area as the draw bar. Also a draw bar is made to handle large pull type loads but not heavy down ward loads. Most pull equipment puts very little weight on the draw bar but a lot of drag pull weight



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FastFarmall

02-11-2018 18:50:09




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
If you can buy a Allis Chalmers, Or a IHC, 12 0r 14 disk, you can cut them down pretty easy, cut the frame and narrow them down to half of it was originally,including the rock shaft for the wheels, and you got 6 OR 7 FT disk, and you got spare for almost ever!



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SVcummins

02-11-2018 17:53:56




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
My guess is that most of the modern implements are sized for hobby farmers and food plot farmers and use on larger gardens in which cases a fully mounted implment is a lot handier to use and manuver in such small areas and also cost as you mentioned



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Rein_Quest

02-11-2018 12:46:23




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
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I tried asking for advice on another thread for what to get or look for when I pick an aftermarket 3pt. I revived comments about people twisting them while pulling.
I don't really know how to use draft control or what that even is but I figured on a way to try and get the depth pretty close every time you lift and drop it.
I intend to pull moldboard plows, disc harrows, and cultivators. These are the implements I'm having the most difficulty sourcing. Might just post an item wanted and see if that has more luck.

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old

02-11-2018 12:55:13




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 12:46:23  
Draft control is thing built into many tractor with 3 point that when a plow or other such machine gets into a hard pull the draft control will left up on the plow automatically so as to keep form getting the tractor stuck etc.



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Rein_Quest

02-11-2018 10:40:52




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
Even if all the new tractors today have 3 point there are still advantages to the older pull implements.
For instance when it's pinned up you can pull it down the road with a truck to where the fields being worked. There's a lot of reasons you want to do that.
For the record I was going to buy a 3point aftermarket but everyone I talked to says it's likely to fail because they just aren't built heavy enough. If you have one I'd like to know how it's worked for you.

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Traditional Farmer

02-12-2018 03:09:38




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 10:40:52  
Many of the aftermarket hitches are built as strong or stronger than original hitches and work just as good or better.That said some people can and will tear up anything they use no sense
using the tractor and try to do things far beyond what they size tractor or implement is suited for.And if the hitch doesn't get broken something else will.



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DeltaRed

02-11-2018 11:28:37




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 10:40:52  
I don't know who told you the aftermarket hitches "fail". All the ones I've seen are well built,they can hold more than the tractor.Oh sure,you get a defective weld once in a while,but not much.Unless it was a poor quality homemade one with skimpy parts. Seen plenty of those.BTY,I currently own 4 tractors(SH,M,SM,400) with 'aftermarket' hitches. Never had an issue with any one of them. Even when it's so overloaded the tractor wont even lift.

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old

02-11-2018 12:28:01




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to DeltaRed, 02-11-2018 11:28:37  
I have found that some of the aftermarket 3 points do not work well or hold up well to things like a plow due to the heavy pull etc.



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DeltaRed

02-11-2018 18:32:49




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to old, 02-11-2018 12:28:01  
depends on the hitch I guess....I put the 3 point on the SuperM in about '81/'82. It has pulled a 3 bottom rollover plow,carried a 6 row mounted cornplanter,carryed a full rack of wts to hold the front down.The hitch itself has never broken,but I have had to reinforce the mounts a couple of times. Broke the clamps around the axle.



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Farmerwithmutt

02-11-2018 11:28:09




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 10:40:52  
Draft control also well cause problems. Look at where the three point is hook on .



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DeltaRed

02-11-2018 11:31:09




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Farmerwithmutt, 02-11-2018 11:28:09  
Draft can be an issue sometimes. But by using a gauge wheel,or putting a stop block on the cylinder,the effects are neglegable.



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Adirondack case guy

02-11-2018 07:53:07




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
I don't know where you are located, but around here we have a large population of Amish and Mennonites. They have their own companies and dealers that mfg. and sell equipment like you are asking about. Definitely a nitch market.
Loren



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rrlund

02-11-2018 07:52:42




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
There's enough old pull type equipment out there yet to fill the market need for it. If there wasn't,somebody would fill it.



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DeltaRed

02-11-2018 07:36:59




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
the mfgers make what is popular.What sells. Very few still use 'drag along' implements anymore. maybe Amish but that's about it.It's all about profit.So buy the old antique and horse drawn equipment and repair/rebuild/restore.......



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Rein_Quest

02-11-2018 06:55:08




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
Maybe I asked it in poor word choice. I've been looking at things like an 8' disc harrow. Everyone makes a 3 point one. Which is great if you have a Kobota or maybe an 8n. But they still have drawbars on them too just like the very capable H or M.
So what I don't quite know is why the drawbar implement died so completely. I know it would cost a little more to add wheels and hydrolics. I sort of figured they'd make more of what sells best but still make the other because even that Kobota, by example, could still pull a trailered one.
As a side comment I understand in the field the weight distribution is better but wouldn't hauling it lifted be kind of hard on a tractor?

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old

02-11-2018 09:48:16




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 06:55:08  
Well if you think about it ALL the tractor made now days have 3 point on them so why should a company want to make equipment for the old tractors that do not have 3 points on them since the old ones are in many ways obsolete plus one can buy aftermarket 3 point hitches for most any tractor that did not have 3 point



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Farmerwithmutt

02-11-2018 09:26:44




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 06:55:08  
Hauling gets fun when the front end of the tractor comes up getting enough weight on the front of a small older tractor can be tricky. With a disc you also have to think about how much the front end will sink into the ground . The Amish around here trying to modernize buy up all the small disk. You have to be lucky and find a decent disk that by the time you get done fixing with new bearings and blades etc you will have a good chunk of cash tied up. At one time you had equipment that was three point and for a little extra you could put a hitch on . I think land pride still does this and the drawbar is an option.

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Farmerwithmutt

02-11-2018 06:37:09




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
I think where your going .It would be nice to have good trailer type equipment for older tractors.One thing comes to mind is bush hog you can buy a three point easy enough but how do you pull that with an m or 60 without three point.



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showcrop

02-11-2018 04:40:49




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 Re: Implement Attachment in reply to Rein_Quest, 02-11-2018 00:56:12  
Not sure that I understand the question, but I think that you are asking why you can't get drawbar implements that are larger. I could give you the simplistic answer that the manufacturers make what sells, but I know that you already know that. I believe that part of it is that a person can generally mount and use a much larger and heavier implement on a three point than hooked to a drawbar. There are some very big and heavy drawbar implements, but they use wheels and hydraulics to handle the weight, and there are very few ATVs with hydraulics.

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