How much drawbar HP would it take to pull a 10ft wheel disk?

Plowed ground or corn stalks? In plowed ground,you're gonna work the snot out of anything under 60-65 horse.
 
So many variables impossible to give a figure. Make and model of disk? Type of ground? Spring non worked or fall tillage? All make a big difference.
 
30hp will pull a small finishing disk in fall cornstalks or bean stubble.

Need over 50 to pull it in sping heavily angled in soft fresh dirt. Might get by with less if you harrow first or otherwise take an easier bite, might
need much more hp if it's a bigger bladed farther spaced heavy disk.....

7 inch spacing, worn down less then 16 inch blades pull pretty easy, where as 9 or more inch spacing, 22 inch blades are gonna pull real hard
as they work heavy.....

Paul
 
lets say worse case scenario. Fall virgin ground. No cornstalk. It’s a John Deere 10ft offset disk. Blades are not serrated.
 
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Offset disks pull really hard. We used a neighbor's a few times, was a 10' Miller and it would work the snot out of our Oliver 1855. Used as primary tillage.

Donovan from Wisconsin
 
That is a "heavy" primary tillage disc ; probable had 20 + inch blades when new , look to be wore down quit a bit.. smaller blades pull harder... unless you wish to let it down only half way ,and carry it at half depth on wheels... , I wouldn't hook on to it with less then 100 horse tractor.. I don't think it's a Deere disc, all Deere disc's of that style / age were made it JD-Killefer plant Ca. it doesn't look like the model HD wheel disc..
 
I've got an 8ft offset and pull it with a 4020 John
Deere (about 95hp). A good combination.
 
I don't believe it is a Bush Hog or a Miller either. I don't know exactly what make it is or how heavy it would be. Only has single wheels and not duals. Heavier ones had 4 tires instead of 2. I have a Taylor-Way disc. It is just a 10' tandem disc and that has 4 tires. It is pretty heavy. Friend I bought it from used to pull it with a JD 4440.

Pulled a 12' Bush Hog offset with my turboed 856 and it went fine. Also use it on the Taylor-Way now.
 
That's an interesting piece, looks in good shape for age.

Yea, offset, that is a little different than the common farm finishing disk. Meant to work hard, pull heavy.

Paul
 
I pull a 10' with my H, works fine if it does not dig too deep, would bet it would stall tractor in deep loam.
 
(quoted from post at 12:55:05 01/31/18) lets say worse case scenario. Fall virgin ground. No cornstalk. It’s a John Deere 10ft offset disk. Blades are not serrated.

Worst case is third or fourth pass when it is sinking deep. on Fall virgin ground your 54 horse would probably pull it but not very fast.
 
I pulled a 22ft wing IHC disc just barely with an F-20. I let the homemade drawbar swing so as to be able to make the corners. I later pulled it with an F-30 and had no problems. These are Farmall tractors.
 
Check out the HP of an F-20 and F-30 Farmall. I pulled a bigger disc than that with them. Trick is to let the drawbar swing so that you can turn at the ends of the field.
 
(quoted from post at 16:54:40 02/01/18) Check out the HP of an F-20 and F-30 Farmall. I pulled a bigger disc than that with them. Trick is to let the drawbar swing so that you can turn at the ends of the field.
a question farmallb, I have a mm m-5 60 hp. and bought a 10 ft. mm disc like the one pictured above, (tandem not offset) so do you take the pins out of the drawbar plate that holds the draw bar centered or to one side or the other?? wouldn't the disc tend to wander around on you?
 
On whel disk always kept the drawbar oined fast in center and set short. On drag type of disk let drawbar swing for easier turning. But that was with smaller tractors than yours.
 
(quoted from post at 10:12:22 02/02/18) On whel disk always kept the drawbar oined fast in center and set short. On drag type of disk let drawbar swing for easier turning. But that was with smaller tractors than yours.
thanks Leroy, will pin the draw bar in the center. but what do you mean by set short?
 
(quoted from post at 10:17:14 02/02/18)
(quoted from post at 10:12:22 02/02/18) On whel disk always kept the drawbar oined fast in center and set short. On drag type of disk let drawbar swing for easier turning. But that was with smaller tractors than yours.
thanks Leroy, will pin the draw bar in the center. but what do you mean by set short?

Drawbars have multiple length settings, depending which hole in the drawbar you use to hold it in.
 
A lot of tractors have adjustable length drawbars with the long position for PTO powered inplements with a shorter setting for use with tillage tools and the like that does not require a long PTO position for hooking up and turning. The short position will not want to pull the tractor straight as you are trying to turn. The closer to center of rear axle if on your tractor or truck the hitch point is the easier to get it to go where you aim the front wheels. I don't know if your tractor has a 2 setting drawbar or only one setting for length but most that I have seen have the multi position for length. I know the Deeres that I had and the Fords had that. Now on a Farmall H or M the only adjustment for length was if you used the swinging drawbar or not.
 
(quoted from post at 12:23:23 02/02/18) A lot of tractors have adjustable length drawbars with the long position for PTO powered inplements with a shorter setting for use with tillage tools and the like that does not require a long PTO position for hooking up and turning. The short position will not want to pull the tractor straight as you are trying to turn. The closer to center of rear axle if on your tractor or truck the hitch point is the easier to get it to go where you aim the front wheels. I don't know if your tractor has a 2 setting drawbar or only one setting for length but most that I have seen have the multi position for length. I know the Deeres that I had and the Fords had that. Now on a Farmall H or M the only adjustment for length was if you used the swinging drawbar or not.
thank you guys will check the draw bar on the m5 when I get it in for it's winter rehab
 

Why would you think that..??

We always used out WD-45 with Duals) and IH #37 disc (10'7") and never dropped out of 3rd gear..on worked ground, a 13' JD Harrow on the back..

You sure do not want to do that without Duals tho..
 
GEE, as to your wandering question, I always wondered why my disc was trying to pass me. LOL. NO, It stays RIGHT behind and keeps centered as long as you are discing in a straight line. When you come to a corner, yes the disc will heel over as much as the drawbar slides on the cross draw bar. On a curve I just lean a bit into whats already been disced, as I always 1/2 disced a field, as it was a single wing disc.
 
(quoted from post at 09:54:57 02/04/18) GEE, as to your wandering question, I always wondered why my disc was trying to pass me. LOL. NO, It stays RIGHT behind and keeps centered as long as you are discing in a straight line. When you come to a corner, yes the disc will heel over as much as the drawbar slides on the cross draw bar. On a curve I just lean a bit into whats already been disced, as I always 1/2 disced a field, as it was a single wing disc.
forgot to ask farmallb is that a wheel disc, or a drag type?
 
Not him but what he is talking about is just the front secton of a tandem disk and they were only ever made in a drag type. I think a few were made for very small tractor as mounted for a Farmall Cub or possibly a small 3 point hitch for an N series Ford. They developed for 2 horses that could not pull more but you had to half lap the disk to keep fron ridging but the outside round would always keep building up the fence row. That is why as soon as was practical they became obsolete and the tandem became popular. I guess out west where fields were measured in miles instead of feet as was in like Ohio and a lot of other eastern states that a field was 2 acres with fence on all sides. They would just keep building up that fence row as they would not bring any soil back in. Was nothing to se fence rows built up 2' with them. And the tractors he talks about using them with did not have any hydrolics of any kind so could not even have lifted a wheel disk.
 
thanks Leroy, that explains his half lapping and having it swing with the draw bar, wondering why you would put up a fence around just 2 acres? but I'm guessing that's what you could work in a day with a team and horse drawn implments? iv'e never seen that out west here even on farms that are over a hundred years old.
 
(quoted from post at 06:23:36 02/01/18) I have a 13 ft I pull with a Case 800, 55HP.
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good evening RJKeith, looking at the top pic of your tandem disc the pipe swivel that raises and lowers your wheels is missing 3 grease nipples that screw into the top brackets that hold the pipe in place on the frame I think, I have the same set up on my mm 10ft. disc and your looks like a Krause design like mine.
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When the farm was possibly only 20 acres and you had horses plus a cow and pigs to keep in around the pasture field and hay and oats and corn needed to feed the animals you only could have small plots to work and you had to rotate the crops to keep a grass stand. And you would not want the cows and horses in same pasture with the pigs. Were a lot of 20 acre farms with a 40 acre farm being a large one.
 

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