Knotter Adjustment 9000 to 7200 Twine

Bill VA

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When one changes square baler twine from sisal 9000 to 7200 twine, are there any knotter adjustments required?
 
Probably not. I would try it, and see before monkeying up things. As poorly done as some of today's twine is, you may well have had some 7200 size twine come through masquerading as 9000 in the same ball. Why do you feel you need to go to 7200 twine?
 
if you are using sisal twine new Holland brand was about the best I found as far as being consistant,,,the cheaper brands at orschlens and rural king don"t even come close
 
Hello I have used both and not seen a real advantage to the 7200, less twine per ball = more cost per bale my 2 cents, my neighbor that was a very good mechanic bought a JD 24T band new stored it outside ,covered tying heads with tin between use and cleaned it out in the fall used plastic round bale twine, hard to believe, Sidney and his brother Chester had dairy and a few beef on each of their farms and used the baler for all of the hay and straw 12 to 15 thousand per year. I bought straw from him nice heavy tight bales hard on the hand as the twine was so small he had that tying head very well adjusted his son still uses the baler to bale straw and a few bales of hay for it the barn.
 
Bill, apparently you are of the opinion that 9000 twine is inconsistent and 7200 twine is consistent, or more consistent than 9000 twine. What is your basis for this? What is your twine source?
 
Reading over posts from the past several years, it appears to me twine quality has diminished. Just thinking about giving it a try.

I've used New Holland twine and from my JD dealer Super Tough brand 9000 twine. Can't say I've had any issues. Haven't tried twine from places like tractor supply.
 
Just thinking about giving it a try. I've read much about lower quality sisal of late and especially random thin spots in 9000. The thought is, if the diameter is larger via 7200, then whatever is left over that is a thin spot would likely be thicker.

Hadn't really had any problems with 9000 sisal, just thinking about trying 7200 for kicks.

Thanks,
Bill
 
Last time I researched, there were only a few twine manufacturers. (Maybe three?) So whatever label you buy, it probably may have come off the same machines, by the same operators out the same factory. All the different brands I have bought over the years, they all look the same once you take them out of the bag. Last few, I have been using TSC branded with few issues I could clearly blame on twine quality.
 
7200 is no more consistent than 9000. The knot strength bar is a little higher, so the flaws in 7200 don't get noticed as much. So guys use 7200 to 'get by' where decent 9000 if it could be found, would do.
New Holland did not brand and sell sisal twine in 2015. Any that was purchased was carryover stock. The Brazillian mill they had sourced twine from closed in late 2014. CNH contracted with Briden to import sisal twine in 2016 and it was branded as Holland (not New Holland). This twine seemed to be of high quality. For 2017 this same twine is branded as New Holland twine.

My combined 9000 and 7200 sisal twine sales have decreased by 75% in the last 3 years due to quality and pricing concerns. On the other hand, I sell 3X as much Tyrite blue 9600x170 plastic twine as I did in 2014.
 


"Reading over posts from the past several years, it appears to me twine quality has diminished."
Bill, when you joined here did you not sign the pledge to never state that anything modern is better than anything older?

When I started baling hay in 1988, I was shown how to tie the knot, and to roll the knot between my palms to flatten it. The fellow told me also that he could remember when sisal was so much better that it would hold by just rubbing the two ends together between his palms, and no knot was needed.

I remember a friend telling me many years ago that his JD 336 had tied so many bales that it was getting a little worn so that he had needed to switch over to the heavier twine. Myself, I take the manual and go through the knotter adjustments every 10,000 or so bales.
 
Ha ha - never said newer was better and the older I get, the more I believe it!

A high point in our baling - knot held in a ball of twine change over. Hay is a lot better quality now too....
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For the last four years I've been buying a dozen bales of 9000 ft twine and a dozen bales of 10,000 ft. Using a JD 336 baler. Today use a bale of 9000, tomorrow a bale of 10,000. Get 50 or 75 more bales of hay out of the 10,000 otherwise no noticeable difference. 9 or 10 probably same twine, just a little more in the roll of 10.
 
That's the reason I went to the plastic twine. After trying the thinner 9K (?), I went to the thicker 7200. It doesn't rot, the mice aren't as fond of it, and it goes through the knotters well. Plus, it's relatively easy on the fingers and doesn't break as easily. Draw back is that you gotta keep it picked up in the barn and fields...
 
(quoted from post at 15:55:14 03/08/17) Reading over posts from the past several years, it appears to me twine quality has diminished. Just thinking about giving it a try.

I've used New Holland twine and from my JD dealer Super Tough brand 9000 twine. Can't say I've had any issues. Haven't tried twine from places like tractor supply.

If you want or have to use sisal and you haven't had any problems with the 9K, then stick with it. If you find that quality is poor, just switch to poly. Much less expensive, great consistency, mice leave it alone, just better over all IMO. Down side is it doesn't rot away if it gets dropped in the paddock.
 
I run a JD 24T and haven't had to make any adjustments when I switch between the 2. Normally run 9000 but once the neighbor wanted his hay baled and threw a bale of 7200 at me to help with the cost and then once the 9000 was sold out.

Ran some plastic through it a couple of years ago and that worked OK too.
 
That used to amuse me too when that happened , (Maybe I should have gone out more often ). BTW I think your twine knives need sharpening/replacing. ;)
 

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