4 wheel rubber tired wagon with a fifth wheel type front end

I am wondering if anyone know who made a 4 wheel rubber tired wagon with a fifth wheel type front end for turning.....It has a front like a forecart where the wheel are fixed on the axle all the way across to the other tire and to turn the front end you turn the pole the wheels turn everything is welded solid and it turns on a fifth wheel pin between the axles that sits into a open round shaft on the reach of the trail? Did someone make a factory wagon like this on rubber tires or are these homemade??
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I figured it out, I found them in my 1980 IH Agricultural Equipment Reference Catalog.
There is a 320 model with 6 ton capacity like in the picture in the farmall forum and the also made a 325 8 ton capacity model that is built much heavier....they are not in the 80 or 81 price list but are in the 1978 price list and came with many tire size options
 
Most all the manufactures (SP) made that style gear. A lot were sold in the south for cotton wagons. Biggest issue I've heard about with them is they could tip over if turned too tight.
 
Still made new with 4 wheel up front and 4 wheels in back. Solves the tipping problem. They tow better at high speed than a linkage axle.
 
Would like to be able to see a picture of it. A lot of companys made them back in the 40's-50's. One local company that made a lot of then was Gram, same company that made semi trailers back in 40's, 50's, 60's up to in the 70's I think when the federal goverment decided to again build army tamks in the facilitie that they owned so Gram had to go out of bussiness. That factory is the only place in the country that builds the armored vehicals for the armed services and some in congress are trying to close it so no production of any war machinery except air.
 
I make one parade wagon a year and I had one of those 5th wheel running gears in 2012. I don't know who the manufacturer was but it made a nice parade wagon. The front axle turned and the bolster had a tendency to want to move with it slightly so I had to stabilize the bolster with steel stops made from angle iron bolted to the wagon main beams. Fortunately, this running gear had tapered roller bearings rather than the high maintenance cage bearings.
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when I was a boy many of our neighbors and my dad used 5th wheel wagons made locally by a welding shop. He used old ford car solid front axles in his wagons,
the two pictures I attached: the wagon without sideboards was build by the local welder, John Morgan, Hazel, KY, he even made most of his wagons to accept poles and connections to use horses if the farmer wanted. I wanted a wagon like he made and could not find one for sale at the time.

I built the wagon with sideboards, I found Dodge pickup front axles and built the wagon using those axles as ford car front axles are long gone.
later I saw the old wagon made by John Morgan and was able to buy it.

back then these wagons would trail fairly well down the road behind a truck, most of the automotive type steering wagons appeared to weave badly as the speed increased.
I believe most of this was caused by the severe short turns and jerking treatment they received while loaded behind corn pickers.

however, I notice that many of the local fertilizer tank wagons used in my area are the old style 5th wheel type, again I guess the rough treatment they receive and the time they are on the highway this steering works out better.

I notice that even double trailer over the road trucks, the second trailer uses the 5th wheel system.
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The reason those running gears made out of car chassis did not pull straight was because they flipped the front axle upside down reversing the camber which made them go straight. Reversing the camber changed the front end alignment so they tried to go anywhere but straight. Along with worn holes in the linkages it made a wild ride.
 
IA Roy,
Both of these old wagons pull fairly well on the highway up to 50 mph,

When I moved to Ky, I pulled the wagon with sideboards from Nashville TN to west Ky it pulled fine loaded with some of my shop stuff.
 

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