Deering Sickle Mower

LeroyKid

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I just got this Deering International Harverster New Ideal sickle mower, and I'm trying to find out its age. The wheel has a 0522 number on it, and the blade has 891 at the top and 405 in the middle. The toolbox says New Ideal, and the bar has Deering on it. Can you tell me anything about the years it was produced? Thanks for your help.
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Cannot help you as to how old it is but it is very old and likely to be pre-tractor era since that is a horse or mule pulled machine. I know at times I would like to have one but I also have horses and a couple of the horses I have on the place now are a German draft horse and Geo and Fred I think could pull that pretty easy
 
The mower is a McCormick Deering just like Dad had. It was made to be horse drawn and geared accordingly. Most tractors can't go slow enough; the faster speed would destroy the gears in a short time.

The tool box was added later from some other machine. New Idea was an entirely separate company that had nothing to do with McCormick Deering.
 
Miss information given. There is a difference in companys in that New Ideal was one and New Idea is a different company and people seem to not be able to read to see the differences in spelling. I do have the year information you are wanting but it will be a while before I can take the time to hunt it. I have the dealer shelf parts book for it. I have the books for just about all the horse drawn mowers built by McCormick and most for New Ideal. Also have books on New Idea horse mowers as well as Deere and Dain. And Dain was bought out by Deere to get their line of hay tools. I have opened my email. Fact is I plan to go see a friend today that his bussiness is horse drawn mowers that are used everyday my my Amish friends and have furnished them several mowers to put on their dealer lots. Have furnished mowers to 3 different dealers.
 
Thank you so much for being willing to help me. The tool box definitely says New Ideal rather than New Idea. I'm excited that I may find out what years it was made. I've got a nice little collection of sulky implements. Have a great weekend.
 
There were 2 different sizes of the New Ideal mowers. A lot of people would look at a picture of a McCormick No. 6mower and sat they McCormick No. 7 closed gear is the same mower not being able to see one being open gear and the other being a closed gear mower. They would also say their Deere is same as a McCormick. Where i run short of imformation is on the Champion that is also part of what was put together for the International Harvestor line. Unless I am mistaken all tool boxes were cast as part of the frame and could not be changed as one poster said. Email me so I have your contacts when the post dissaperes in case I don't get things hunted up before then and at that time I can possibly come up with a copy of parts manual and or owners manual for your mower. I have been sick and still a long way from full recovery so will take time to find things in my colection af someware around a thousand probably plus manuals. I have a little on Massey Harris mowers tho not much. Nothing on Case, Moline, Oliver. I do have a bit on the David Bradley horse drawn mower as well. Finding everything is the problem.
 
(quoted from post at 09:15:48 01/27/17) There were 2 different sizes of the New Ideal mowers. A lot of people would look at a picture of a McCormick No. 6mower and sat they McCormick No. 7 closed gear is the same mower not being able to see one being open gear and the other being a closed gear mower. They would also say their Deere is same as a McCormick. Where i run short of imformation is on the Champion that is also part of what was put together for the International Harvestor line. Unless I am mistaken all tool boxes were cast as part of the frame and could not be changed as one poster said. Email me so I have your contacts when the post dissaperes in case I don't get things hunted up before then and at that time I can possibly come up with a copy of parts manual and or owners manual for your mower. I have been sick and still a long way from full recovery so will take time to find things in my colection af someware around a thousand probably plus manuals. I have a little on Massey Harris mowers tho not much. Nothing on Case, Moline, Oliver. I do have a bit on the David Bradley horse drawn mower as well. Finding everything is the problem.

I'm not sure how to email you on this, so here is my email address: [email protected]. I hope you get well soon, and thank you again for being willing to help me.
 
Yep I remember being told the best way to destroy one of those was pull it with a tractor and watch it fly apart
 
Long time ago to remember.. seems like uncle's old MD mower had a box cast as part of the frame. No chance of changing box... BUT could cover have come from another machine? Uncles had a modified tongue (very heavy oak) and we pulled it with a tractor. Probably not that fast, but to a kid riding to see cutter bar didn't clog up, seemed fast! Can't tell model number, been a long time ago. Was clearly a horse drawn mower at beginning of it's life.
 
(quoted from post at 12:16:34 01/27/17) Long time ago to remember.. seems like uncle's old MD mower had a box cast as part of the frame. No chance of changing box... BUT could cover have come from another machine? Uncles had a modified tongue (very heavy oak) and we pulled it with a tractor. Probably not that fast, but to a kid riding to see cutter bar didn't clog up, seemed fast! Can't tell model number, been a long time ago. Was clearly a horse drawn mower at beginning of it's life.

The box looks original to me and looks like original to frame. Still has some kind of tool in it.
 
Since it's not PTO,why couldn't it be pulled in low gear and slow throttle? Horses didn't walk all that slow. I've cultivated small corn with a tractor,you can creep pretty darned slow.
 
Well take this example if you pull it with a Ford 8N you will be going a heck of a lot faster then the common horse would and they where not made to be pulled that fast plus the higher speed also caused traction problems with the mowers. I was told that by more the one old farmers but never tried to my self since I figured they knew what happened if one tried. Ya if you have my Ford 841S and put the Sherman in low and then used 1st gear it might go slow enough but you also need a person on the mower seat for the needed traction. One of the old farmers that told me that was my grand father who tried pulling one with his JD B I have. He said he tried it one time and went back to using his horses to pull it.
 
Old you need to stop and thing on that. The plowing gear in your tractors is based on the walking speed of a horse. Mow in that Ford or your Farmal plowing speed is second gear, the farmal it is full RPM while the Ford ir is 2/3 full RPM. So that is way faster than you are saying it can be. But then for a light load like a mower behind your farmall you would use perhaps 1/3 RPM so not having to watch for a PTO speed you would easily be able to drive that Farmall in 3rd gear with that mower. I grew up using a David Bradley horse drawn mower that came with a factory toung behind a 2N Ford. And the first piece of machinery I ever bought I pulled with a JD A in 3rd. So I do know what the mowers will do. I have bought probly a dozen of the mowers for my Amish friends from parts only mowers to field ready units. And retail price for a McCormick No. 7 ore No. 9 with a 6' bar in field ready condition in retail price it is without any paint %1,500 to %1,700. And those mowers were built from 1932 to about 1950. Now if you find what is refered to as a tractor version of one of them it will have the factory tractor toung and a wider wheel and the retail price would be over $2,000. I have yet to see a McCormick version but have seen the Deere version.
 
When I was around 6 years of age, a neighbour had a runaway with a similar MOWER,...Horse drawn. As the mower crossed a drainage ditch the Spring material that's attached to the seat BROKE off. The gentleman spent time in the hospital with a badly lacerated CROTCH.
 
According to the book I have:

New Ideal Plain Lift Mower was built 1905-1912
New Ideal Vertical Life Mower was built 1905-1912
New Ideal Giant was built 1906-1912.

SadFarmall
 
(quoted from post at 04:21:57 01/31/17) According to the book I have:

New Ideal Plain Lift Mower was built 1905-1912
New Ideal Vertical Life Mower was built 1905-1912
New Ideal Giant was built 1906-1912.

SadFarmall

Thank you very much! Can you tell from the pictures which one I've got? Have a great day.
 
You realy need a copy of my parts book for that. What would help is length of cutter bar, a 5' bar will have 20 sections, a 6' bar will have 24 sections and a 7' will be 28 sections. Different models the frame was sized for different cutter bars.
 
I have a McCormick Deering Horse Mower No 9 with factory rubber tires don't know much about it has been restored and put in my collection how rare are they.
 
(quoted from post at 08:47:14 01/27/17) Miss information given. There is a difference in companys in that New Ideal was one and New Idea is a different company and people seem to not be able to read to see the differences in spelling. I do have the year information you are wanting but it will be a while before I can take the time to hunt it. I have the dealer shelf parts book for it. I have the books for just about all the horse drawn mowers built by McCormick and most for New Ideal. Also have books on New Idea horse mowers as well as Deere and Dain. And Dain was bought out by Deere to get their line of hay tools. I have opened my email. Fact is I plan to go see a friend today that his bussiness is horse drawn mowers that are used everyday my my Amish friends and have furnished them several mowers to put on their dealer lots. Have furnished mowers to 3 different dealers.
The Deering New Ideal mower my husband and I are restoring also has "Chicago U.S.A." stamped on it. Do you happen to know the original paint scheme of this mower?
 

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