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(quoted from post at 15:00:31 12/09/16) No they are driven by two wheels, unless the dogs are bad in one then you find that out turning.
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I have a Case 281, the right wheel is set up with a dog, but I took off the left hub this morning and it is not set up for or with a dog.
 

All we ever had, had an "over-running" ratchet clutch in one wheel, but I am sure they drive from both wheels ( at least when going forward..
 
I a lot depends on the brand and how old it is. I had a big wheel rake with 36 inch tires that was driven by one wheel and I had a NH rake that had a ratchet in both wheels so it was 2 wheel drive. The IH rake I use right now is suppose to be 2 wheel drive but who ever had it before me removed the springs and levers so it is one wheel drive. I'd love to fix it but so far not found the parts for it and really had not tried all that hard to find them since it has worked that way for years
 
(quoted from post at 17:41:07 12/09/16) I a lot depends on the brand and how old it is. I had a big wheel rake with 36 inch tires that was driven by one wheel and I had a NH rake that had a ratchet in both wheels so it was 2 wheel drive. The IH rake I use right now is suppose to be 2 wheel drive but who ever had it before me removed the springs and levers so it is one wheel drive. I'd love to fix it but so far not found the parts for it and really had not tried all that hard to find them since it has worked that way for years
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This one Is a Case 281, 1960 I was just lucky the dog and spring was in the one wheel. I am not sure I can find parts for this one either.
 
Your Case 281 rake is driven by both wheels. There is a dog clutch on each wheel hub. See pics of LH and RH wheel hubs.
Loren
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(quoted from post at 18:33:59 12/09/16) Your Case 281 rake is driven by both wheels. There is a dog clutch on each wheel hub. See pics of LH and RH wheel hubs.
Loren
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Mine does not look like the pic you have, I took the Right side off and cleaned it, there is a dog and spring on that side, took the left side off this morning, the outside hub will take the dog, but the inside hub that keeps the dog and spring is not set up for the spring. I looked to see if something had been broken off, but not the case.[/img]
 
(quoted from post at 18:33:59 12/09/16) Your Case 281 rake is driven by both wheels. There is a dog clutch on each wheel hub. See pics of LH and RH wheel hubs.
Loren
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Greatly appreciate all the information from everyone, if some one can tell me how to add a pic, I always photograph my projects, I also am reworking the differential, one of the bearings was completely gone.

Thanks again
 
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Hope this helps.
 

I had a NH 55 rake which had the ratchets in both hubs. If one wasn't working the basket speed changed when turning. I wound up replacing both hubs and backing plates, plus the dogs(ratchets) on both sides, plus the sleeve bearings in both hubs, plus the springs occasionally. The NH had transport latches that locked the ratchets out of engagement so the wheels would free wheel. I'm wondering if NH parts would fit your rake.

KEH
 
(quoted from post at 02:15:21 12/11/16)
I had a NH 55 rake which had the ratchets in both hubs. If one wasn't working the basket speed changed when turning. I wound up replacing both hubs and backing plates, plus the dogs(ratchets) on both sides, plus the sleeve bearings in both hubs, plus the springs occasionally. The NH had transport latches that locked the ratchets out of engagement so the wheels would free wheel. I'm wondering if NH parts would fit your rake.

KEH
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Do not know if they would interchange, I think all will be ok, I am going to put it back together and try it out, we will see. On engagement mechanics, this has an engagement lever and saw a guy had it wired out of gear, someone asked him about it and he said while pulling it down the hwy at 30 mph, when it jumps into gear, it tears up a lot. [/img]
 
Well, I should know better that try to fool you guys, I took the left hub apart and cleaned it, at one time it was also drive wheel, the spring holder for the dog had been broken off.
 
Well, I should know better that try to fool you guys, I took the left hub apart and cleaned it, at one time it was also drive wheel, the spring holder for the dog had been broken off. It is or was a two wheel drive.
 
(quoted from post at 19:14:58 12/12/16) We had a Ford rake back in the 70's that was ground driven by only one wheel. It worked fine.
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The guy that sold this one to me suggested I put a female ball hitch on it so it will tilt with the ground and keep the drive wheel down. Have not tried it yet, but getting it back together and sh ould take it out when the weather clears
 
Fred,
I'm looking to find a Pawl For my drivers side hub on my right handed rake. Are the left and the right side identical? Their are two that drive the rake but one of mine is mince meat and the other is badly worn. Any leads on were to order parts? I think donors are now the only option.
 
(quoted from post at 07:02:08 01/04/17) Fred,
I'm looking to find a Pawl For my drivers side hub on my right handed rake. Are the left and the right side identical? Their are two that drive the rake but one of mine is mince meat and the other is badly worn. Any leads on were to order parts? I think donors are now the only option.
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There must be something about the 281, because my LH side is missing the holder part for the dog and spring. After I cleaned it, I found it had been broken. I think both sides will interchange from what I see. My use is limited so I just put some weight on the one good side and it is about 90%. It probably will take you some time, but I would contact all parts places to see if they have a junk 281 that they will sell the parts off of. If I find one, I will let you know. I put a female trailer ball hitch on mine to let it flex with the contour of the ground to keep the wheel down, tines dig in, but better.
 
I agree theirs I problem with the pawls. Especially the side not driven by the driveline. My tires are water filled for a little better traction.I really like the design and width of the rake. I'm hoping to acquire a left hand to make a set. The only parts I've found is an operators manuel online. Parts are available for a little older and a little newer model. Ours has a gray area and gets easily confused. I wanna say it's made in the mid-60's.
 
I agree theirs I problem with the pawls. Especially the side not driven by the driveline. My tires are water filled for a little better traction.I really like the design and width of the rake. I'm hoping to acquire a left hand to make a set. The only parts I've found is an operators manuel online. Parts are available for a little older and a little newer model. Ours has a gray area and gets easily confused. I wanna say it's made in the mid-60's.
 
(quoted from post at 17:07:06 01/04/17) I agree theirs I problem with the pawls. Especially the side not driven by the driveline. My tires are water filled for a little better traction.I really like the design and width of the rake. I'm hoping to acquire a left hand to make a set. The only parts I've found is an operators manuel online. Parts are available for a little older and a little newer model. Ours has a gray area and gets easily confused. I wanna say it's made in the mid-60's.
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FYI: What I have been trying to do is to find a newer rake, IH-5 possibly or newer to see if the wheel shaft and hubs would fit. I have found a couple of rakes, but they want me to purchase the whole rake, to much money, none are 281's. I may run up on one eventually, we will see.
 
(quoted from post at 18:15:21 12/10/16)
I had a NH 55 rake which had the ratchets in both hubs. If one wasn't working the basket speed changed when turning. I wound up replacing both hubs and backing plates, plus the dogs(ratchets) on both sides, plus the sleeve bearings in both hubs, plus the springs occasionally. The NH had transport latches that locked the ratchets out of engagement so the wheels would free wheel. I'm wondering if NH parts would fit your rake.

KEH
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id the parts for the Nh55 resemble these 281's Keh?
If their compatable that's a major deal.
 
(quoted from post at 18:15:21 12/10/16)
I had a NH 55 rake which had the ratchets in both hubs. If one wasn't working the basket speed changed when turning. I wound up replacing both hubs and backing plates, plus the dogs(ratchets) on both sides, plus the sleeve bearings in both hubs, plus the springs occasionally. The NH had transport latches that locked the ratchets out of engagement so the wheels would free wheel. I'm wondering if NH parts would fit your rake.

KEH
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I looked the parts up on messicks. The axle housing has different variances. The only thing that looks interchangeable is possible parts to the main gearbox.
 
(quoted from post at 09:38:56 01/22/17) Could you make a pawl or have one made. I would think a fabricator or blacksmith could fix you up.
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I'll be fabricating something up before spring thats for sure.
 
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