Roll over plows down side?

4020 electrician · Mar 4, 2016

How much faster is a 3 bottom rollover vs a 4 bottom semi mount? Is it like a zero turn mower vs garden tractor mower? What are the down falls of a roll over plow?

DeltaRed · Mar 4, 2016

A rollover is all I use. Only 'downfall' is they are heavy,need front wts.I think they save time.No driveing on the end to the next land.Just lift,turn and flip plow,drop back in furrow and go.And there are no dead furrows and crowns to work out.That is of utmost importance on flood irrigated ground.

Leroy · Mar 5, 2016

I cannot see a tractor being able to turn like that without stoping and backing up to be able to complete turn unless you have a hundred foot wide end left.

DeltaRed · Mar 5, 2016

Leroy,You've never run one.I've used 'spinners' for 40+ years.You can lift spin turn drop in one fluid motion.The key is to not let the fromt wheels hit the fence before you lift it.Yes,the end is probably a bit wider,but a couple of passes will fix that....I only run a 4 bottom. 5 and 6 bottoms are popular an becomeing common.I know of one BTO who has at least two 7 bottom plows.That guy farms 3000+ acres. every acre is plowed.Plow that big takes a BIG tractor.

DeltaRed · Mar 5, 2016

I can do an easy comfortable turn in about 30/40 feet.I could even turn in the length of the tractor,but that would take some pretty heavy braking.

4020 electrician · Mar 5, 2016

Looking at one right now. JD 3 bottom rollover. 4020 handle it?

DeltaRed · Mar 5, 2016

In average plowing,a 4020 will easily handle a 3x16" plow.You should be in 4th or 5th gear.If you are in old sod,or wet 'tiger s#!+',probably 3rd. In some lighter sandier soils,it will pull 4.What plow are you looking at? The JD #835 is the plow that JD designed for the 4020.I used to pull a #825(3x14) behind a 730 diesel

Dave H (MI) · Mar 5, 2016

That's why they has split brake petals! Turn left and jam down the inside petal and she will turn on a dime. I have a 40' wide shed and I can turn my 1586 and go right back out the door and not even come close to the walls. Digs a nice hole in the floor.

Leroy · Mar 5, 2016

I just know the tractors I had you could not turn that short with, and it was hard to with a 4-30" cultivator to turn short enough to go back against where I had come up. Your 4 bottom would give a bit more area turn in than the 3 bottom I was using but would take a second round after the headland to be able to turn short enough to make turn without backing up. Steering must turn sharper than the Fords. As they would not do that even using the brakes.

4020 electrician · Mar 5, 2016

He couldn't tell me a model #. His 4020,5020 wouldn't roll the plow😉. He said he had to use the neighbors 4440 in order to turn it. I left it there. What model should I be looking at. I have a 4440 and 4020 worked over by Tim S.

J. Schwiebert · Mar 5, 2016

Leroy: I am about 50-60 miles north of you and we sold from 1 to 2 Oliver roll over plows a year and one thing the owners liked was getting around on the ends with them. Some of the tractors did not have wide fronts but over half of the plows were 3-16's.

DeltaRed · Mar 5, 2016

It is probably an 835. The one with the hydralic motor. The seals are 'shot'. not a problem to rebiuld.A seal kit is about 35 bucks.Not sure if they are available still.A 'high flow'(4440) tractor would spin it,whereas a lower flow(4020) tractor would not.A JD 4200 is a good popular plow.They still bring good money.I personally dont care much for JD plows. A Massey(#57),IH(#314;642;140),or Oliver/White(6342) are good plows.Stay away from AC or Case,They were decent,but are haveing some major parts problems. Case for example ,anything for the left side is obsolete,no longer available.I myself use IH. #314(3x14);#642(4x16). They have been great plows.IMHO,an IH plow is the best of the bunch,with a Massey being a close second.

steve_in_mo · Mar 5, 2016

It is always a good idea to keep the front wheels out of the fence. Neighbor back home actually plowed that way, though, with a WD and WD45 Allis. This was central Iowa with light sandy loam and hills, with a standard moldboard rather than a rollover plow.

Run the front wheels just to the fence.
Stop.
Lift the plow.
Back up.
Turn the tractor.
Drive across the headlands to the other land.
Stop.
Turn the tractor.
Drop the plow.
Drive forward.

Brendon-KS · Mar 5, 2016

Where I grew up most guys made an extra loop so they didn't need to brake so hard. Turn about 120 degrees one way, cut back the other way to make the loop while the plow is rotating, and you're lined up ready to drop the plow again.

DeltaRed · Mar 5, 2016

I used to make that "loop". Now I just leave a little bit wider end and do a simple turn. A couple of extra passes fixes that.And,I've found that the end furrow further out is easier to work out.More room for the 'float' (leveler) to work.

4020 electrician · Mar 5, 2016

Thanks DeltaRed.

bjr · Mar 7, 2016

Are you guys are talking about "roll over" plows that you have the extra set of moldboards that roll over to throw the soil the same way? I seem some time ago a plowing implement that the moldboards (blades) flipped the opposite direction to do the same thing. I thought those were called "flip plows", maybe a newer style. bjr

Handyman · Mar 7, 2016

(quoted from post at 13:04:31 03/07/16) Are you guys are talking about "roll over" plows that you have the extra set of moldboards that roll over to throw the soil the same way? I seem some time ago a plowing implement that the moldboards (blades) flipped the opposite direction to do the same thing. I thought those were called "flip plows", maybe a newer style. bjr

believe what you are talking about are what are called switch plows, or swing plows depending on who you talk to.

DeltaRed · Mar 7, 2016

A "switch" or "swing" plow is a completely different plow from a Rollover,or spinner plow. Top pic is a Ford #140(oliver 6342)
onland hitch,next is My IH #642(4x16") infurrow pulled behind the 1256. Last is the Ford pulled by the 1256 Sorry,No pics of a
swing plow.A 'swinger' has square mold boards. the share is 'pointed' on each end.The plow pivots,allowing each end cut,thus
makeing it a two way.Even though the swingers have been around for years(that is all JD offers in a two way),I still think they are the stragest plow ever! LOL

Handyman · Mar 8, 2016

this is a switch plow.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...;thid=OIP.Md9c95f2d6e2d184b921f0da52687b3d2o0

2510Paul · Mar 10, 2016

Listen to DeltaRed. I love my 4200 rollover plow. Leave a little wider headland and turning can be soft and fluid, not hard on the tractor or plow at all. (Of course that depends on the driver.) The wider headland is very quickly plowed because you can plow in both directions. The only negative is the plow is heavier. I have 3x18" on my 4320. It pulls it very easily which I like.

I plowed for a neighbor last spring and he was amazed how much I got plowed in one day. The plow is always in the ground. This was heavy clay in hilly western Wisconsin.

Paul

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