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Wanted Black Hawk corn planter plate Xref to JD or IH plates

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jim16222

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My Amish neighbor recently purchased a Black Hawk horse drawn two row corn planter. The planter came with extra plates F346, F347, F348, F460 and F467. All are 16 cell, cast iron plates.

We looked at the last couple of years corn seed bags and see charts that suggest plates sizes for JD and IH plates but not Black Hawk. Does anyone have a "cheat sheet" to match BH to JD or IH plates?

Is there a Black Hawk planter operator or parts manual avaiable that lists the plate offerings?

Where would we go to find a plate size we don't already have?

Thanks,
Jim
 
Black Hawk was a popular planter 60+ years ago. An old time seed corn dealer in this neighborhood furnished plates for his customers. His son has a lot of them still hanging in the building. Post me an e-mail address or a phone number. J.
 
The only thing I can tell you is to measure the cells by 1/16th of an inch and then compair that with the sizes listed in Deere's plate book or on the Lincoln plastic plate chart and that will get you as close as possible to the different kernel sizes. Now those Black Hawk planter operators manuals are a complete joke as far as for usefullness. Nothing in them on setting rates and no parts list. They are only about at most 12 pages. And the sizes they do saw do not compaire to curent seed sizing. What they call a small would be more like a modern day large seed. I need to try to find my books. He is luckey to have 5 different sizes, most I have seen is 2 size for plates and don't know where to get any. Dealer I work with has a couple of those planters that he cannot sell as cannot get plates for them.
 
J, if he has plates for a Blackhawk it suprises me. But if he does and wants to get rid of some would you contact me? Lester Helmlinger
 

Leroy,
Wayne at Lincoln Ag pointed me towards you and this forum.

He pointed me towards the JDParts web page that lists all of the JD plates and of course their Lustran plate listings. Looks like I'll have to sit down with my neighbor, John, and measure the plates to compare them to the JD sizes and build our own Xref table.

Would you happen to know what model BH planter we have? A copy of a useless BH planter manual still would be nice as a conversation piece.

Regards,
Jim
 
Don't know if it will cross to JD plate but if you do find out what # crosses I have a couple of dozen corn JD
plates. Will sell one or all. email is open.

Kirk
 
A JD plate is not the same diameter as the Blackhawk plate so the only thing a JD plate will do is give seed size for a plate with a certain measurement in the cell and getting as close a measurement from the Blackhawk plate to compair sizes of cell to get a seed size that will work.
 
Wondering how anybody at Lincoln Ag could point anybody to me, Have never delt with the company. This site I could see. Blackhawk made probably a dozen different models of horse drawn corn planters plus tractor drawn and 3 point hitch planters and the 3 point hitch were either ground drive or PTO powered and in the PTO powered there were the model that would drop out seed everytime you turned a corner with planter raised and the next model it would dissenguage the drive when raised. And would you believe they used same model number for all of them. If remember correctly it was 115. Been a couple of years since I worked on one or loked at the books where ever they are now. Blackhawk whent on to eventually become Cockshutt. Jave a friend that has a colection of Blackhawk planters of possibly a dozen. Never asked him about any books he might have.
 
Hi I have a copy of a Black Hawk corn planter manual Model 115T check planter and Model
135T drill planter. Some seed charts for Black Hawk plates.Thanks Steve 419-618-0017
 

Black Hawk plates won't interchange with JD or IH, meaning the JD plate won't fit in the BH planter and vice-a-versa. Different diameters and center drive lugs.

What I'm trying to accomplish is this :

For example - Most corn seed mfgr's classify their seeds as small, medium or large sizes in flats or rounds. The bags are tagged in code like say "F2". On the back they have a chart that you look under the "F2" column and it lists the most popular plates mainly JD, IH and a few others but not BH. For my JD 1240 the plates would be:

JD 24-cell plastic B9-24X or B6-24X
JD 16-cell plastic B9-16 or B6-16
JD 24-cell steel H1302B
JD 16-cell steel H694B

According to the Lincoln Ag web site the lenght/depth/thickness in 64ths for B6 is 32-11-20 and B9 is 28-12-20.

The JD master plate manual lists both H1302B and H694B as 36-12-20.

Now if I had a listing of BH plates with their measurements I could match say BH F123 plate with JD B9-16 and know that the seed in the bag marked "F2" would work.
 
That is where you need to measure the cell sizes on the plates you have access to. When you get that then just compair the measurements you got to what the lists for Deere or IHC have for size. And Deere & IHC cell sizes are not usually the same for the same grade. For length of cell a drill bit placed with the but end in cell might work to get length of cell but not sure how to measure the height or depth of cell.
 
Blackhawk pickers for sure and I think planters were sold by Cockshutt dealers. Wife's great grandfather sold Cockshutt about the time the 60 70 and 80 series tractors were replaced by 30 and 40. In laws had a Cockshutt/Blackhawk picker from that time. Maybe you can cross reference Cockshutt. Oliver planters were sold as Cockshutt after the merger.
 
Blackhawk was bought out by Cockshutt and same plates were used untill end of production. Oliver planters used a different plate. I had a Oliver 402 planter and you had to guess at the plate and seed size, no informatioon avaible 40 years ago on seed to plate sizes. But plate sizes listed in manual was way different than plate size listed for Deere for the same size kernell. Had a Deere 246 at same time as the Oliver 402 planter. 2 row version was 202.
 
Are your plates listed, small, Medium, large? If so, id go with a plate size bigger than what the corn seed you use recommends. Anyway, that's what ive found on my 402? IHC planter
 
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