2 bottom plows

mlagerton · Oct 25, 2015

I about to purchase a 2 bottom plow for use on a small home garden. The garden is about 1.5 acres. I'm looking at two plows currently. The first is a Massey 2 bottom plow with rolling landslide and hand crank adjustment. The second is a JD 2 bottom plow with a sliding (foot) landslide and it also has hand lever adjustment. Both plows are probably 40-50 years old. Both appear to have good mouldboards, shin, and shares.

I'll be using the plow behind a L4701 Kubota equipped with R34 tires.....and HST transmission.

My question is - what is the difference between the rolling landslide and the sliding foot with respect to plow efficiency and control of the blades.

What are peoples preferences when it comes to these two types of plows? Any significant issues with pulling and or parts?

All help and suggestions are welcomed.

Many thanks

sd pete · Oct 25, 2015

I would get the Massey plow. I don't think it would make a lot of difference in the little bit you will be plowing..

DeltaRed · Oct 25, 2015

I take it these are pull type plows,as opposed to 3point mounted? Get the one with 'throw-away' shares.The old 'blacksmith' shares are hard/near impossible to find. These days,no one any longer knows how to sharpen them either.Otherwise,I dont think it really matters as long as it is all there and works. As was said,you're not plowing enough to matter.Good Luck!

Dick L · Oct 25, 2015

I didn't know that Massey made a plow with a crank depth adjustment. Or does it have a crank adjustment for something other than depth??

Dave Sherburne, NY · Oct 25, 2015

Get the Massey. The crank is to adjust the width of cut of the front bottom although the space between the inside of furrow tire and the center of the tractor will have to be adjusted according to the plow bottom size.

wellmax99 · Oct 25, 2015

does the mf plow look something like this one,

has the hand crank for alignment, also has the extra small wings above the regular wings to help flip the dirt, sure wish my old plow has those
if properly aligned the plow should follow straight behind the tractor.

I have a 3 x 12" MF #62 plow, solid beam, not trip beam, but to be truthful,

I rather use my neighbors ford 101 two 14" plow, his plow has trip bottoms,

the 14" plow has a deeper throat, so it does not clog up so bad in heavy corn stalks or weeds/grass.

mlagerton · Oct 25, 2015

This is the plow exactly. It has the trip springs also.

Thanks for sharing the pics.

Apologies for all that have seen this question asked in a different fashion. i just have not seen the plows without the rolling landslide.

mlagerton · Oct 25, 2015

Thanks Dave!

I was leaning towards the Massey but was not quite sure of the replacement parts. I found a few sites....but felt you guys would know this equipment better than me.

Thanks again!

mlagerton · Oct 25, 2015

Dick,

I believe this is a course adjustment. Fine tuning is done with the arms.

Anyone else answer Dick's comments?

mlagerton · Oct 25, 2015

Thanks DeltaRed!

This is for a 3 point hitch setup. You've hit on my concern for replacements.....although I'm may be extending my garden to another 10 acres soon......still it is minor compared to what they were made to plow.

Thanks again

mlagerton · Oct 25, 2015

Thanks SDPete!

I was leaning towards the Massey.....

Dick L · Oct 26, 2015

My one track mind was only picturing pull type plows rather than three point. I have three Allis snap coupler plows with crank adjustment. Silly of me with nine plows out here.

55 50 Ron · Oct 26, 2015

I have never referred to those as "rolling landslides". The name I've always heard and used is "coulters". Many folks tend to remove the coulters to avoid plugging in trassy conditions. A plow with coulters still has the "sliding" landside. Landside is the correct term which is the side toward the unplowed ground.

Ron

mlagerton · Oct 26, 2015

Ron,

The landslide I was referring to is the back wheel that minimizes pressure from the moldboards. The rolling coulters I'm familiar with are located directly in front of the moldboards. These two plows differed from each other by the type of landslide.

It appeared as though the JD had a "foot" that would drag slightly under the soil. I had not seen one of these before and did not really see how it was relieving pressure. I could see how it would be potentially less pressure than not having anything at all....but was hoping you guys had seen this type before.

I've attached an article from Robert Walters who produced a very nice paper years ago. It makes for a good reference.

Thanks for the response.
The Moldboard Plow

BushogPapa · Oct 26, 2015

Rolling or sliding won't make any bit of difference in how it pulls ...

One thing for SURE, make sure it is NOT Rusty, before ya drop it in the ground, and that includes the Cover-Boards also...

Ron..

JD Seller · Oct 26, 2015

I would NOT buy a plow that did not have the throw away points and shears if I was going to use it much. Also trip break away or shear blot. No solid shank plows. The old forged points can easily be $100 each. One good rock and you just blew some money. Replacement points are maybe $25. As for MF or JD the MF will pull easier but the JD will cover trash better. Just my experience.

MF model 72 plows had a crank adjustment for the tracking. They had the skeleton type frame. MF 84s had crank too but they had a square beam for a back bone/frame. The MF 72 was a fine plow in fair soils but in hard clay it would not go in the ground very well. The MF 84 would plow concrete almost.

On JD the 810 plow was good. I have a set of JD 1250s and they plow well too.

maxwell99 · Oct 27, 2015

When you get your plow,
As others have said, clean the wings as best you can with a wire brush, etc.

Use the plow, then clean it good,

with the wings clean and slick,
Paint the wings with something like "John Deere" plow wing paint, this material will protect the wing surface, yet as soon as you start plowing next year the wings will soon be polished smooth, great stuff.

I have tried regular spray paint, takes a long while to wear off, grease: weather and rain will wash it off in time and what a mess applying it to the wings.

A little time cleaning and painting the plow wings will pay big dividends next plow season.

My dad and uncle would have kicked my butt, if they could have seen how I let my old plows set out and wings covered in rust, did not matter if I was going to use them or not,

just general good maintenance practice, they kept their equipment well service and properly maintained.

Some how it did not rub off on me till later years.

mlagerton · Oct 27, 2015

Maxwell99,

Great advice. I'll use the winter to clean them up.

I hear my father yelling at me for leaving a tool out in the rain......even today!

Thanks

mlagerton · Oct 27, 2015

Thanks JD Seller!

I will check it out a bit closer when I get it home. Luckily for me I will only plow a few acres twice a year. I'm sure it's already been used harder than I ever will.

mlagerton · Oct 27, 2015

BushhogPapa,

I'll get them clean.....I have all winter and will use the time to put a wire wheel and some paint on them.

Thanks for the advice.

55 50 Ron · Oct 28, 2015

another new word "wings" referenced to plows!!!!

55 50 Ron · Oct 28, 2015

Nice article by Mr. Walters. Thanks for that. Never heard or seen the "drag foot". Learn something new every day even at my old age.

mlagerton · Oct 31, 2015

Anyone have any ideas about where to buy a complete coulter assembly for a MF #66 2 bottom plow? I'm looking in fields, farms, barns, etc.

Thanks

M

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