round baler belts

Plowboy1 · Jan 27, 2015

We are going to replace a set of belts on our New Idea 484 round baler. You can get them with a splice or one piece. What is the better way to go? We will be pulling the roller out to replace bearings. Thanks.

Tx Jim · Jan 27, 2015

To install continuous belts all rollers must be disconnected to install belts which seems like a lot of labor required. Since the introduction of the new style alligator lacings vs Clipper lacings I have very little lacing problems.

steven in Tn · Jan 27, 2015

i wouldnt pull all the rollers to put in belts

Farmallb · Jan 27, 2015

Whats the difference. Ive used the old flat metal lacings, and the new round wire lacings.

495man · Jan 28, 2015

I think you'd cause more issues taking all the rollers out. Buy the right size belts with the splice already in them,
"no worries" and they are all the same size.

Tx Jim · Jan 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 22:03:25 01/27/15) Whats the difference. Ive used the old flat metal lacings, and the new round wire lacings.

These are the Alligator lacings. They are riveted in place not crimped.

Bret4207 · Jan 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 08:25:17 01/28/15)

(quoted from post at 22:03:25 01/27/15) Whats the difference. Ive used the old flat metal lacings, and the new round wire lacings.

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These are the Alligator lacings. They are riveted in place not crimped.

IIRC the newer riveted lacings have a size minimum for the rollers. IOW, if the min is 6" and you have 5" rollers they aren't going to last. The rivets are nice but I've had conventional and riveted running side by side and their isn't a lot of difference in longevity, at least for me.

Leroy · Jan 28, 2015

Never been around baler so I do not understand them. My question is why you all are saying do not pull the rollers to put on the belts when he said he wants to pull them to replace bearings that I assume he thinks are about to go bad with new hopefully having a like new baler instead of a partial like new and partial wore out machine. Most times the recemondations are to replace any bearing you think might be failing. So why not to replace those bearings he is thinking might be failling? Just don't under stand reasoning for not replaceing the bearings.

Tx Jim · Jan 28, 2015

Leroy
This is a schematic of the belt routing on a JD baler. If one wanted to put continuous belts on it one would need to remove 12 rollers. New Idea baler may have less rollers.

Tx Jim · Jan 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 07:55:50 01/28/15)

IIRC the newer riveted lacings have a size minimum for the rollers. IOW, if the min is 6" and you have 5" rollers they aren't going to last. The rivets are nice but I've had conventional and riveted running side by side and their isn't a lot of difference in longevity, at least for me.

I've baled 19,000+ bales on original lacings on my present JD baler. I can't find roller diameter for the smallest roller on my 467 but I'm fairly confident it's smaller than 5 inches in diameter. I will attempt to measure a roller later today I know the brgs for smallest roller are 3.543 IN outside diameter.

sd pete · Jan 28, 2015

Plowboy since you are pulling the rollers I would use the endless belts like the baler came new with. Good luck rebuilding it. Is there a big difference in cost between the 2 types?

oj · Jan 28, 2015

JD belts don't have alligator lacings... they look similar but are made by a different company (MATO), Mato lacing will go around a small roller (my Claas uses some 4 inch rollers) and alligator lacings will rip out in less than 1000 bales...

Tx Jim · Jan 28, 2015

oj
Thanks for correcting my SENIOR moment.
Jim

sd pete · Jan 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:58:58 01/28/15)
Leroy
This is a schematic of the belt routing on a JD baler. If one wanted to put continuous belts on it one would need to remove 12 rollers. New Idea baler may have less rollers.

The original post is for a New Idea baler its differnet from the green machine.

Tx Jim · Jan 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 12:56:22 01/28/15)
This is a schematic of the belt routing on a JD baler. If one wanted to put continuous belts on it one would need to remove 12 rollers.

New Idea baler may have less rollers.

/quote] The original post is for a New Idea baler its differnet from the green machine.

Evidently you did not read my statement of ""New Idea baler may have less rollers.""!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leroy · Jan 28, 2015

That does not tell me why they would say DO NOT REPLACE BAD BEARINGS. That was my question Why not replace bad bearings.

Plowboy1 · Jan 28, 2015

Thanks for the replies.
The new idea has 4 sets of belts. It's only necessary to pull out 2 rollers at a time. Some of them are just "idlers" and are pretty easy to change out the bearings. The driven ones are more trouble, not something you want to be doing when there is hay down! One thing (or rather, one of the many things) I just can't understand is why they use a bearing with a hex center hole. You can't tighten it on the shaft and they're kind of expensive and a little hard to find. This baler has been around the world but it does ok for our little farm and personally, I prefer the "soft" center bales.

sd pete · Jan 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 02:50:36 01/29/15) Thanks for the replies.
The new idea has 4 sets of belts. It's only necessary to pull out 2 rollers at a time. Some of them are just "idlers" and are pretty easy to change out the bearings. The driven ones are more trouble, not something you want to be doing when there is hay down! One thing (or rather, one of the many things) I just can't understand is why they use a bearing with a hex center hole. You can't tighten it on the shaft and they're kind of expensive and a little hard to find. This baler has been around the world but it does ok for our little farm and personally, I prefer the "soft" center bales.

I had the bigger IHC baler and it baled my cow hay. The soft center is ok. Is there a big Difference in the price between the 2 styles of belts. I used the lace belts on mine when I needed some replacements. Good luck on it.

Plowboy1 · Jan 28, 2015

I not sure on the price difference. I do know the endless ones are more but not sure how much.

Bret4207 · Jan 29, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:11:37 01/28/15)

(quoted from post at 07:55:50 01/28/15)

IIRC the newer riveted lacings have a size minimum for the rollers. IOW, if the min is 6" and you have 5" rollers they aren't going to last. The rivets are nice but I've had conventional and riveted running side by side and their isn't a lot of difference in longevity, at least for me.

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I've baled 19,000+ bales on original lacings on my present JD baler. I can't find roller diameter for the smallest roller on my 467 but I'm fairly confident it's smaller than 5 inches in diameter. I will attempt to measure a roller later today I know the brgs for smallest roller are 3.543 IN outside diameter.

If you go to the lacing manufacturers website they list recommended minimum sizes. If yours work for you that great, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just pointing out that some aren't designed or suggested to use below a minimum roller diameter. I' sure JD researched the subject thoroughly before using whatever kind of lacing they used.

Tx Jim · Jan 29, 2015

(quoted from post at 09:33:37 01/29/15)

If you go to the lacing manufacturers website they list recommended minimum sizes. If yours work for you that great, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just pointing out that some aren't designed or suggested to use below a minimum roller diameter. I' sure JD researched the subject thoroughly before using whatever kind of lacing they used.

Evidently you didn't read the previous reply of mine where I admitted I made a mistake when I stated Alligator instead of Mato such as JD baler use.

oli · Jan 29, 2015

don't ask how i know alligator lacings don't like
small rollers...

always enjoy your contributions Jim

Bret4207 · Jan 30, 2015

(quoted from post at 13:59:58 01/29/15)

(quoted from post at 09:33:37 01/29/15)

If you go to the lacing manufacturers website they list recommended minimum sizes. If yours work for you that great, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just pointing out that some aren't designed or suggested to use below a minimum roller diameter. I' sure JD researched the subject thoroughly before using whatever kind of lacing they used.

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Evidently you didn't read the previous reply of mine where I admitted I made a mistake when I stated Alligator instead of Mato such as JD baler use.

And again, I'm not arguing with you. Just passing some info along based on mistake I made.

Tx Jim · Jan 30, 2015

(quoted from post at 07:40:52

And again, I'm not arguing with you. Just passing some info along based on mistake I made.

No argument from me. I acknowledged I made an incorrect statement. That's one of the reasons this is called a discussion forum.
Have a good one,Jim

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