Good Rollover Plow

Kerwin · Nov 15, 2014

Just wondering peoples' opinions on a good rollover plow. Looking for 3- or 4-bottom, and that LH moldboards, shins, and shares may still be available. Oliver? IH? Deere?

DeltaRed · Nov 16, 2014

Probably the best ones for parts avilabilty is IH and JD.Oliver made a good plow too.Parts for those are getting harder to find.I currently run IH.#314 and #642.Have owned JD #825 and #835 plows also.There has been a Case and Ford as well.Massey made a good plow but parts are becoming difficult. But out of all the plows I ever owned and run,IH is the best plow out there.

Roy in UK · Nov 16, 2014

If you were in Europe I would say "Kverneland" without any hesitation. They are the best in the business. However I don't know anything about parts availability ( let a lone price! ) over there

DeltaRed · Nov 16, 2014

Kerwin,here in irrigated western Colorado,2 ways/rollovers'spinners are all we use.So I have a fair amount of experience with them.Here are a couple pics of some of mine over the years.Steve

Badger bob · Nov 16, 2014

Steve you have a john deere 770a ? I ran a jd 770b for 10 years. good machine. Bob

RodinNS · Nov 16, 2014

Kverneland... Parts are not an issue here in eastern Canada although I don't know where you are or what parts support may be like. I would think it not a big deal as the lines are becoming integrated into Kubota's system.

Rod

Shetland Sheepdog · Nov 16, 2014

Definitely second what Rod said! I don't know where you're located, but if stones/rocks are a consideration, Kverneland may also be one of the only roll-overs with auto re-set!
Dave

DeltaRed · Nov 17, 2014

No.Dont know what a 770 is.I had a 825(3x14) and later a 835(4x16).Culdnt give me another one.And that includes the 4200 as well.

tim(in) · Nov 17, 2014

I've wondered about a one too . Seems like it would be nice not having to worry about dead furrows and such. my land is pretty flat for this are. I noticed i dont see any with coulters on them? I know they can be a sore subject in modern corn stands. But kverneland is the choice plow for plowing matches. I think some US john deere dealers might carry them. Have to good them to be sure. Round here indianapolis ,indiana oliver which became white was the plow. Even the JD guys around here preferred oilver.It turned the slice over completley and covered the trash. Also a lot of Ford stuff is just repainted and stickered white[oliver] equipment.

vscummins · Nov 17, 2014

Those Deeres must have been bad to keep up with the job that ferd is doin .

Brady V · Nov 17, 2014

I use a 5 bottom 18" IH 145 and a 4 bottom 18" JD 8350, these are both high clearance. Both do a good job, but if Deere had built a 5 bottom in furrow plow I wouldn't have the IH. The IH has plenty of welds that it didn't come from the factory with. That and the wear parts on the IH tend to wear at a substantially faster rate than the NU parts on the Deere, moldboards, shins and shares. The IH wear parts also are more expensive.

I don't recommend a Deere 4200 unless you have easy soils that won't require higher horsepower to pull it, they were built light weight and are low clearance. I believe 825's and 835's were earlier version's of the 8350 and 8450, and they weren't built as stout.

IH 642's are also low clearance plows, and like the Deere 4200 have a lighter frame.

The only thing I have heard about MF plows is that while I understand they do a good job, I have heard the shares for one side are @ $60 apiece.

DeltaRed · Nov 17, 2014

That ferd is sprung all to h$!!.I got rid of it shortly after the pic was taken.

vscummins · Nov 18, 2014

One pass with a field cultivator and nobody will know the difference A plow isn't really a seedbed tool as far as I'm concerned . We plow in the fall and if it's rough all the better .

Dave Gunem · Nov 18, 2014

I have a 1966 JD 845 3-16 with slat bottoms and it is useable behind a 630 with a wide front . I have numerous other Deere rollover plows [ 820 , 825 & 825A ] and have had 835's also . The 820's are my favorite from a collecting standpoint but they are not very sturdy . The 825's are very heavy and a 3 bottom does not work well on the 630's . If you do consider a 825 look it over VERY WELL as the rear frame area is BENT on quite a few of them . Well I seem to find bent ones anyway . The 835's have shear pins and I am not very fond of that . Now the 845 3-16 with it's solid frame AND trip bottoms does work on my 630's with wide fronts . Pulling them is not the issue - carrying them and steering is . In my limited experience using these I would definitely buy another 845 but the catch there is that 835's are way more common and usually the same price for a [ IMHO ] inferior plow . Some cry about the orbit motor that spins them but that is real simple to rebuild . IF NOT BROKEN . Anyways that's my take on older Deere ones and as you will see some here don't like them and are very vocal about it .

Shetland Sheepdog · Nov 18, 2014

Dave, You wouldn't happen to have a spare set of front coulter brackets, for an 825, that you would be willing to part with if your arm was twisted. That would be the arm that reaches out for folding money!
Thanks, Dave (also)

Dave Gunem · Nov 18, 2014

Send me an email and we can talk . Dave

2510Paul · Nov 27, 2014

Brady, I have a 4200 and it is much higher clearance then my F145 plows, so I considered it high clearance. Perhaps the plows you mention are even higher clearance. Also, it is built heavy. It is 3 bottoms x 18" and it is all my 4320 can do to carry it. The hydraulics were doing 2000PSI and I can only lift it half way up. We have now re-adjusted to 2350PSI, looking forward to testing it. I have a double weight bracket on the front with eight single weights at about 80-85 pounds each.

When I got this plow I did not have a book to adjust it by. It did not pull well. After I got the book and got it adjusted it pulls like a dream. Now if I can just lift it.

So far I have been able to get the wear parts for it from the JD Dealer. Although, the rear landsides were only found at the JD "Antique Warehouse". This is a concern to me so I guess I had better get them now. This is not an old plow so I was surprised.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Paul

Shetland Sheepdog · Nov 27, 2014

Dave, I sent a PM via YT, did you get it? Dave

Brady V · Nov 27, 2014

Paul, I have a 4200 4 bottom 18" that was purchased new and was pulled with a 4440. Before the first set of moldboards wore out the plow frame had been broke in half a couple times. So I bought a IH 145 5 bottom to go on my 4955, then about 10 yrs ago I purchased a JD 8350 4 bottom because I was finding the IH plow hitch couldn't take the stress in my heavier soils.

I don't know how the 3 pt of a 4320 compares to a 4440 three pt as far as capacity, but the 4440 had no problem problem lifting a 4 bottom with no quik coupler. Seems to me you should have no problem lifting a 3 bottom. Might be something to investigate in the JD forum.

Happy Thanksgiving
Brady

2510Paul · Nov 28, 2014

Sorry to hear it broke. I sure hope I don't experience that. I agree the 8350 looks heavier. Thanks for sharing your experience. I wish I had a picture of my 4200 to share.

I am looking forward to seeing if my 4320 will lift it with the pressure turned back up.

Thanks. Paul

Brady V · Nov 29, 2014

I don't mean to be down on the 4200's, my point was to help steer someone in whatever direction they need to go for their needs. A guy up the road from me uses one behind his 4430, and as far as I know has never had the issues I had, but his soils are sandier than mine.
I owned a IH 642 16" 4 bottom that came with a farm I bought 15 yrs ago, it had very few acres on it and had only been used behind a AC 200 and was in very nice shape, but the only time I hooked onto it was with chains to load it onto another neighbors trailer because I was sure any tractor I owned would likely break it if I tried using it.
Brady

2510Paul · Nov 30, 2014

I looked for an 8350 on Tractorhouse but none were to be found. I will keep my eyes open for one. Thanks. Paul

Cliff Nelson · Dec 14, 2014

I agree that the 4320 should carry that plow with no problem. Dad had a 4200 3x18 that we pulled with a 3020 for years. Never had a problem lifting but sometimes the wrong end went up. Had 4 slab weights, 2 starter weights, and a 100# wheel weight on front with a narrow front end. It was only light when the plow was raised.

4240 Turbo · Jan 4, 2016

I ran masseys. 57 or 570 or 5700 or whatever the newer one is. that ford doesn't look terrible, what you guys seeing? I was always able to get parts and I felt that the massey pulled slightly easier than JD. I always ran 4 16s in furrow and ran 18" shares on them, really cut the clay nice, but if it slipped on adjustment, you had trouble had to lose 1 gear, get out and fix the stops.

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