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Damaged my haybine (New Holland 469)

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Laura R.

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I hit an immovable object (a large rock) while haybining my field yesterday and my haybine is totally destroyed. The tongue is in two pieces; it broke off between the mounting points of the hydraulic cylinder.

My question is: Can the tongue be taken off the main tube? And how? I want to know whether it is possible to fix this machine by replacing the tongue.

PS. It also broke both arms under the machine; how hard/dangerous are they to replace?
 
Did you fall asleep?
If that was your field you should've found a big rock like that a long time ago.

Without pics its hard to visualize what/were the damage is to give advise on the how to of fixing it
 

It's my first time cutting this field. The farmer who owns the land said, "Oh yeah, forgot to tell you about that rock." I'll see what I can do about photos. Don't have a camera at the moment.
 
Some pics would certainly help... but the way I generally look at it is that someone put it together... someone can take it apart. If you can do that I'm sure it can be welded up good enough to make it work again unless it's bent in seven different directions...
Saying that... just because it probably can be fixed doesn't mean it should be or that it's economical to do so... Kind of a judgement call on that one. If you have to pay someone... probably better off to find another one. If you have someone that can provide the labor at low/no cost then might be worth it.

Rod
 
I can't answer on the tongue although every new holland haybine I have ever saw the tounge was removeable. As far as the two arms underneath,if you are talking about the ones with an eye on each end I have put one in my new holland 488 haybine. I had to use a 4 ton hydraulic porta power to jack it apart and get the arm back in. Just be careful doing it but it worked for me. If you go to Messicks website you can look at the parts manual for your haybine and you can see how the tounge comes out.
 
I got a 469 from a neighbor with the tongue rotted out where the clamps go around the tube. I changed it out with one from a 479. Had to change the PTO set up as well as they are different on a 479. I already had the 479 for parts. If you broke the hitch maybe it was getting ready to rust through. I can't imagine hitting a rock and doing that much damage.
 

Yeah I don't think I have the resources to get a new one, so I'm just hoping I can get this one up and running. There's an old haybine in the weeds I can use for parts.
 

Super...that's very helpful thank you. I've got the tongue off now. Don't know about that 4 ton hydraulic porta power.
 

You don't know my JD 70 Diesel! When that haybine caught it just pulled harder. Got the tongue out now, thank you for your help.
 
(quoted from post at 10:35:08 09/08/14) As in you don't know where you could borrow a porta power or you don't know what one is?
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Just nervous about moving such a heavy machine...I have a bad leg and don't want to tempt fate.
 
Okay, here's an update: I found a New Holland 479 in the weeds. It's missing all guards, chains, belts, and the wobble box, but otherwise is in great shape. Should I:

A) try to take its tongue and switch bars to my wounded 469
OR
B) move all the guards, chains, belts, and the wobble box from my 469 to the 479?

Thanks for all the great comments!

Edit: Okay it's also missing the cutter bar and PTO.
 
I would keep the one with the best rollers. A 479 has a beefier drive train and with your JD 70 might be good to have. A buddy of mine twisted of the PTO shaft on his 469 once. The weak area is up near the gear box.
 
I had both lift arms break off my 469 by weight of a snow drift (they rust down at the bottom.) In order to fix it, I had to remove the entire reel / roll assembly by lifting it and sliding the frame out, then hauling it to a welder. It could be done by bringing the welder to the machine but you need a loader to lift the reel portion up. We have a JD 2440 with loader and it was maxed out as the reel + rolls are VERY heavy. This is a major rebuild. Also, the frame underneath has a 4" pipe lengthwise, which bends easily. I straightened that out at the same time. Previous owner bent it. Unless your machine cut perfectly, best to buy another. In my case, I had a good machine and had just put new rolls in year before.
 
(quoted from post at 15:52:45 09/08/14)
(quoted from post at 10:35:08 09/08/14) As in you don't know where you could borrow a porta power or you don't know what one is?
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Just nervous about moving such a heavy machine...I have a bad leg and don't want to tempt fate.
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A porta power is just a hand pumped hydraulic pump with a flex hose that attaches to a work cylinder "jack". A whole setup with all the parts in a case might weigh 100 lbs but the pump and "jack" might weigh 30ish lbs in an old steel one. The "4 tons" refers to the power rating of the unit. Ask around any old time body shops or repair shops. There's one sitting there someplace. Or you can rent one at a lot of tool and hardware stores.

Your haybine can likely be fixed. The question is, "How much $ and how long will it take?". Sometimes finding a parts machine with a bad wobble box, no guards or knife and maybe bar tires will be cheaper and faster than fixing a really busted one.
 
(quoted from post at 17:45:53 09/08/14) May want find out why the 479 was used for parts if you decide to keep that one.
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I've been wondering that myself...the bine looks beautiful. I can't figure out why it was abandoned. I guess a gear could be out of the gear box or some bearings could be bad but I can't know unless I fix it up. I guess I just got excited because it's newer and heavier duty so I'd rather have one of those.
 

Yeah that's what I was thinking with the 479...mine has the three most difficult things broken, but the 479 is missing all the other parts.

I'm not sure which one makes more sense. But given that I don't have any money to buy a new one, I'll probably start working on fixing up the 479 and aim to have it ready by next season.
 
(quoted from post at 10:22:34 09/09/14) The wobble boxes don't interchange between those two
machines.
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I should also express my gratitude...that saved me a lot of time and work! Thank you!
 
(quoted from post at 09:25:15 09/08/14) I can't answer on the tongue although every new holland haybine I have ever saw the tounge was removeable. As far as the two arms underneath,if you are talking about the ones with an eye on each end I have put one in my new holland 488 haybine. I had to use a 4 ton hydraulic porta power to jack it apart and get the arm back in. Just be careful doing it but it worked for me. If you go to Messicks website you can look at the parts manual for your haybine and you can see how the tounge comes out.
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Hey, I've been working on the bine and I was wondering how did you support the machine to take the weight off the tube and tongue?
 
(quoted from post at 05:18:26 09/12/14) Jacks and blocking under the skids.
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Sorry to keep bothering you... can you tell me how high? And do the springs need to be de-tensioned?
 
(quoted from post at 22:52:12 09/11/14)
(quoted from post at 09:25:15 09/08/14) I can't answer on the tongue although every new holland haybine I have ever saw the tounge was removeable. As far as the two arms underneath,if you are talking about the ones with an eye on each end I have put one in my new holland 488 haybine. I had to use a 4 ton hydraulic porta power to jack it apart and get the arm back in. Just be careful doing it but it worked for me. If you go to Messicks website you can look at the parts manual for your haybine and you can see how the tounge comes out.
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Hey, I've been working on the bine and I was wondering how did you support the machine to take the weight off the tube and tongue?
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I didn't. I was broke down in the middle of the field. I replaced mine in the field with the porta power and didn't change anything else. That may not be the right way but I was in a bind and it worked for me.
 
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