Hay on the ground JD 24T missing bales like crazy! #2

Thanks to all who posted replies. After 3 days of trying to figure this out, I am throwing in the towel. Does anyone have a contact for anyone in southwestern WI who is experienced with 24T knotters. I need some experience on this. I am sure this baler is quality, but I sure cannot seem to get bales out of it. It now ties NO bales, or 1 out 10 or 15.
 
Look arounf the hood for some nice bales. Hire that guy to bale yours until you have a working baler.
 
I know how frustrating this can be... I just got done fighting with a 273 new Holland. Mine was doing about the same thing yours was doing... Missing occasionally... it was worse when it got tough. I found a bent bill hook. but not until I took it out of the baler and compared it to a good one. Mine looked fine in the baler but When I took it out, the wheel on the bill hook touched the base of the hook and the new one was about a quarter of an inch away when closed. It makes them open late and not catch the twine all the time. I changed the bill hook out and it ties like a dream now! The neighbor was having similar problems with his, and we found the stame thing. It may be worth checking out!
 
When I listen to what you are saying I just have to shake my head. Ties 1 out of 10 or 15? Are you actually running around the field spitting out that many broken bales and trying to figure out why? If mine misses two in a row I know I have a problem. Run it onto the field until the chamber is full and a bale is off the end. Stop it in the shade and pull your pickup/traveling shop up next to it. Look at all the things you have been told to look at and try an adjustment. It takes some knowledge of the operation and a lot of logic but it can be diagnosed if you use your manual. After you change something, start the baler and start feeding untied bales back into it from BEHIND the twine box by hand and be sure to remove the twine. Keep recycling those few bales until it ties a couple in a row and THEN go back out on the field. If one adjustment doesn't work, try something else. What I am hearing is that you are frustrated, inexperienced and spinning your wheels without getting anywhere. We have all been there and done that. Realize that the baler works and keep at it until you find the problem.
 
When I hand cycle the machine all works as it should, at speed in the field it is a mess. Any thoughts on what would only malfunction at work speed?
 
Do you notice does it miss a bale when you hit a bump in the field? Check the play in the worm gears there are shims that you can move back and forth from end to end. If there is any play in those gears the knotter will be out of time every time youy hit a bump. I know it sounds crazy But, been there done that before,it took me a loooooong time to figure it out but that was the problem. Good Luck they are touchy.the shims are diff thickness but it works.
 
(quoted from post at 23:24:27 06/29/14) When I hand cycle the machine all works as it should, at speed in the field it is a mess. Any thoughts on what would only malfunction at work speed?

Check to be sure all 3 hay dogs are operating properly with no broken springs.
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You said in the other post you had good twine. Were it mine, first thing I'd do is get rid of the twine you have and try plastic.
 
If you are missing that many bales it would seem like you can see it miss if you are standing there and get an idea of what happened. If you are going to hire an expert be careful as to how they think they became an expert. I've seen many "baler mechanics" that couldn't get a JD or NH baler to work even with the manual in their hand. Its like anything else - some are real baler mechanics and some only think they are.
 
-this is probably to simple, I bought a 24t about 8 years ago, every once in a while it would miss 1 to 3 bales in a row on the same side. The problem was the twine on that side was run through the wrong side of the twine guide at the tip of the needle. It will honestly bale 1500 bales and not miss a bale. But you can't rush the baler.
 

Looking back at the previous thread I agree that you need a pro. You have been told very clearly the specific things to check and how to do it but it appears that you have attempted very little of what you need to do. Perhaps the "relic" is quality, but it takes just one little thing to stop a baler from knotting. I have a friend who works on equipment for a living. He can usually fix one in five minutes, and the charge is only $125 to show up.
 

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