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Early automatic baler history

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Evan350

06-27-2014 11:45:28
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So far haven't found a list that anyone's compiled of the introduction dates of the earliest automatic-tying square balers. I know these are among the earliest, but when exactly did they hit the market relative to the others? NH 76, NH 77, NH 65, MM Bale-O-Matic, MH 701, JD 114, JD 116W, IH 50T. What was the first baler to pack the hay from the side instead of the top of the bale chamber?




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BobH in NH

06-28-2014 20:45:51
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 11:45:28  
Ford Dearborn Model 14-49 in production prior to 1953. Manufactured by Long Mfg, Tarboro, NC. I have documentation that Long Engineers were conducting regular training at Ford Tractor Dealerships in the 1947-48 era but do not have the model numbers.

Massey Harris #1, 1945. Was sold in G.B. as the 701.

Cockhutt #375, reportedly manufactured in France. Sold in US in late "40s. Very unusual design.

Ann Arbor Automatic Pickup Hay Baler - Mid "30s, but it was wire hand tie. Oliver bought out Ann Arbor in "45-46 era and started putting the Oliver name on the Ann Arbor balers. First Oliver Auto Twine Tie Baler was the #50 launched in 1954.

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rankrank1

06-28-2014 17:19:53
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 11:45:28  
The New Holland 77 was first (even though kinda a big albatross) but more importantly the NH 66 were the balers that revolutionized the baler market. I believe the the NH 66 was introduced in 1952. There is a wonderful article on this site if you care to search for it that will have lots of the answers you are looking for.

It took other manufactures several years to catch up to anything like the NH66. I believed John Deere introduced the 14T in like in 1956.

Sure there were balers prior to NH 66 and 14T but they were not really modern in any sense of the word. Do you see anyone still using them today? Many NH 66's and 14T's still in use even today.

The NH 65 that you list did not come until 1960 so it is much later than a NH 66.

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Farmallb

06-27-2014 19:49:13
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 11:45:28  
What model @ was the Jophn Deere side shooter?
I have a Case 140 W bailer that was made around 55. I know that they had at one other older bailer that worked in the normal way. Mine has an auger and below it a canvas running along the table.



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Evan350

06-27-2014 20:09:58
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Farmallb, 06-27-2014 19:49:13  
The JD 'side shooters' are the 116w and 114w.



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Roger in Iowa

06-27-2014 20:25:38
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 20:09:58  
I believe they were called "side winder's", not side shooters. That is the JD 116W and 114W's.



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Farmallb

06-28-2014 06:27:57
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Roger in Iowa, 06-27-2014 20:25:38  
I well remember them, as I had one do my bailing once, and saw a couple other elsewhere around NE Kansas. There, I had heard them called side shooters. Could be elsewhere they were called side winders a mile away. I don't know.



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KEH

06-27-2014 17:49:23
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 11:45:28  

NH made the 76 which had canvas curtins to take the hay up instead of spring fingers on chains, which the later 77 used. There were 77s and Super 77s. I had a Super. It had the plunger riding on rollers instead of wooden slides and also made large, well shaped bales from any sized windrow. The 77s dated from the early 1950s. Don't know about the 76s.

The NH 66 and Super 66 were sold about the same time as the 77s. I'm reasonably sure they were the first side fed NH balers. These balers use an auger cross feed.

I think the IHC 45 baler dates from about the same time. It also used an auger cross feed, but the one a neighbor had(powered by a Cub engine) did not tie well. The NH balers tied well from the beginning.

Case had a pickup baler with the spring pickup teeth in the early 1950s which fed the hay into the chamber from the side, maybe with an auger. Early ones did not have automatic tieing, but had a seat on each side of the bale case where two men wire tied each bale like on the older hand fed balers. Very soon Case put on knotters on that basic baler. Must have been a dusty job wire tieing. My guess is that the hand operated baler dated from the 1940s.

John Deere in the early 1950s had a baler that fed directly into the bale chamber and had the bale cas extending to one side. They had both twine and wire tie. Don't know the model numbers.

I think the work on the NH 76 balers started before World War II, but I may be wrong.

KEH

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Leroy

06-28-2014 06:17:10
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to KEH, 06-27-2014 17:49:23  
The John Deere sindwinder balers were only wire tie with the first version 116W in 46 and the second version started about 1950 along with the smaller 114W and the 116W lasted to 56, not sure if the 114W lased that long. The 14T came out as a 55 model and knocked the sales of the wire tie to nothing and the next year Deere had quit the sidewinder wire baler and brought out a wire tie version of the 14 as 14W. The 14W was not actually sold around here because nobody wanted a wire baler. The New Holland 66 came out about 53 and when it came out sales of every other model baler about dissapeared around here, A few 14T were sold but by then here you could not give a wire tie baler away any more. Have both versions of the 116W as collectors.

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Tx Jim

06-28-2014 06:34:27
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Leroy, 06-28-2014 06:17:10  
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Leroy

I beg to differ as there was never a JD 14W sq baler. Yes there was a 214W & 214 WS. Here's the parts catalog # for 14T 426 - 14T Automatic Baler



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Leroy

06-28-2014 06:57:49
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Tx Jim, 06-28-2014 06:34:27  
OK, topo new for me. I thought they had a 14W before the 214 series but guess not. What year did the 214 start? Was it a bigger capacity than the 14?



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Tx Jim

06-28-2014 09:09:06
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Leroy, 06-28-2014 06:57:49  
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214 series started in 1957



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Roger in Iowa

06-28-2014 07:24:31
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Leroy, 06-28-2014 06:57:49  
214W and T started in 1957. Ended about 1963. The W version had the 116W type twisters and later the "modern" twister style.



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Mike(NEOhio)

06-27-2014 19:26:41
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to KEH, 06-27-2014 17:49:23  
My father in law had an IH baler I think was a 52T that he bought in 49. Auger feed, twine tie.



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Evan350

06-27-2014 19:46:57
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 06-27-2014 19:26:41  

Would that be the model 50-T?



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Mike(NEOhio)

06-28-2014 16:04:34
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 19:46:57  
That's it. He took the nose wheel off and converted it to drawbar-pull. Too hard to back up and it would slide out when turning on slopes.



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Roger in Iowa

06-27-2014 18:10:12
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to KEH, 06-27-2014 17:49:23  
The 116W and 114W were double wire twist only. Very unique twisting/cutting mechanism.

14T was first twine tie baler.



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Roger in Iowa

06-27-2014 13:57:12
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 11:45:28  
JD 14T started production in 1954. There may have been some pre-production ones a little earlier.

The JD 116w started in 1946 and the 114w in 1950. They were fed in the side, but not the "normal" side



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Evan350

06-27-2014 19:42:54
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Roger in Iowa, 06-27-2014 13:57:12  
Here are production dates I have so far. Can you add to it?

1938-1940 Arthur Young baler
1940-1943 New Holland 73
1944-1945 New Holland 75
1944-1952 IH McCormick 50-T
1946-1948 New Holland 76
1946-???? John Deere 116w
1950-???? John Deere 114w
1953-1959 IH McCormick 55
1954-1957 IH McCormick 45
1954-???? John Deere 14T



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Ken Macfarlane

07-04-2014 07:55:38
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 19:42:54  
Rivière Casalis inline square balers started about 1950.



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G706

06-28-2014 12:35:50
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 Re: Early automatic baler history in reply to Evan350, 06-27-2014 19:42:54  
1945-1953 Minneapolis-Moline Bale-O-Matic



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