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Re: new holland 718 chopper

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Leroy

06-12-2014 06:45:57
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It is so easy for people to spend your money telling you that you need something you do not need. You have a small amount of cattle or you would not be saying about couting every couple of days to supplement pasture. So figure that if that chopper saves you from having to buy just one 120 small bale load of hay it has paid for itself. The machines they are telling you that you need if they could be found (perhaps in their area they can be but not in your area) will cost way more and you may or may not need it after a week if the rains start and pasture recovers where is the cost advantage of buying a high priced machine to have seeting around. Not faniluar with a 718 but the 717? believe it was that belonged to my uncle took all the power that his 3020 put out to run it, used it a couple of times while we were between choppers. We got a cheap flywheel type throw NH chopper and the JD B handled it as easy as the 3020 did the other model and those models they say you should be getting would possible require at least a 4020 to handle. From what you are saying you want to do I dought that you have that big a tractor. We orignally bought an old Cockshutt with pickup head and one row corn head, chopped on flat bed hay wagon for a week with hay head and put on the corn head for a wek and by that time rain had come and pasture was back to normal. Next year built a feeder wagon bed and picked up a first model JD flail chopper and went to chopping every day, That JD B handled it as well as a bigger tractor would have. That cut our need for pasture in half. When that old Cockshutt gave out got the Old New Holland.We never had a silo or fed silage. All the machines they are saying to get are bigg enough you would need to put up a lot of silage to make them pay and you are not doing silage or you wouls already have the forage harvestor. So if that $700 machine saves you from having to buy 3 ton of hay it has paid for itself and any future use is free Not those others if you could find them would coust you not $700 but $7,000 till you found it and got it shipped to you how many loads of hay would you have to buy to have paid the difference in cost, pluss possibly having to buy a different larger tractor just to run it. Adding everything together does ther reasinging make econicim sence to you? If it does then follow it but if you do math like I do then go with the machine you are looking at. And then next year consider getting a flail to suppliment it and use the time to find the correct machine. We only had a high of 23 cows and quit milking when the dairy closed.

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NY 986

06-12-2014 07:07:48
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 Re: new holland 718 chopper in reply to Leroy, 06-12-2014 06:45:57  
I don't think anybody is saying he needs an expensive machine but my point is the good inexpensive 1000 dollar and under machines have all but disappeared where I am at. I scan area dealer lists frequently and I can only think of one flail chopper listed which is fairly new therefore much much higher than 1000 dollars. Other than that there is only one other which I suspect is a parts machine as it is sitting in this guy's parts machine part of the yard. If somebody said to me I need a flail chopper for 1500 dollars or less and preferably under 1000 dollars for this summer I would say be prepared to travel a few hours and be flexible on the brand. It might be different elsewhere in the US.

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Leroy

06-12-2014 08:21:09
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 Re: new holland 718 chopper in reply to NY 986, 06-12-2014 07:07:48  
The ones that were saying that is the ones that were saying he needs the new Deeres. I was saying that any inexpincve machine in good condition should be good for him and also the way he was talking he did not need or want high capacity. That is why I said get what will work now when you need it and spend the next year looking for the ideal machine and that New Holland may not be the ideal but if it works and he doesn't have to buy a load of hay it has paid for itself if it is never used again.

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RodInNS

06-12-2014 09:22:09
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 Re: new holland 718 chopper in reply to Leroy, 06-12-2014 08:21:09  
I think I'd rather buy a load of hay than a 718 NH...
My point is that the smaller cut and blow choppers are just as inexpensive as the 718 most times... and they're better machines. Availability of each varies. You can seldom buy any of them when you need one.

Rod



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Leroy

06-12-2014 14:53:57
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 Re: new holland 718 chopper in reply to RodInNS, 06-12-2014 09:22:09  
The way you talk a lot of machinery aviability up there where you are is good but down here in the states some of it never was heard of. Like all those newer ones you mention.



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RodInNS

06-12-2014 20:35:22
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 Re: new holland 718 chopper in reply to Leroy, 06-12-2014 14:53:57  
Newer? That stuff is all old washed up junk here now. There's lots of newer versions of those models still sold today... but cripes.. the 3940/60 are closing in on 40. Even the 50/70 series machines are 25 plus years old. It's not that I'm in the center of the universe for used farm gear either. We get two consignment sales a year with the odd dispersal here and there..

Rod



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Leroy

06-13-2014 05:49:48
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 Re: new holland 718 chopper in reply to RodInNS, 06-12-2014 20:35:22  
The most popular chopper ever around here was the orignal direct cut bar cut Allis Chalmers, Then Gehl became popular. Don't ever remember seeing a McCormick chopper at all and no Deere as new as any of those you think are old. This used to be dairy country but now only a handful left.



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