FORD 9N AND 5 FT TILLER QUESTION PLEASE

BCOWANWHEELS · May 12, 2014

HEY EVERYBODY ! I was windering if my newly overhauled 9n ford will handle a 5 ft tiller behind it ? i will plow and disc the dirt very well before i till it. I just want the dirt to be very loose before planting. my 9n is totally restored 100% ,taken 100 % apart and given the detail resto treatment. its all original except i went 1 size larger rear tires ( which I regret now). it has a sherman od/ud trans. sure wish I could find a howard trans for it !
thanks
bob in east tn.

willie in mn · May 12, 2014

To be blunt & politically incorrect, without a Howard reducer, forget about it. Ground speed on an N is just too fast, oversized tires makes it worse.
The Howard trans fits after the transmission, reduces ground speed but doesn't change PTO speed.
The Sherman fits before the transmission, & while reducing ground speed, also reduces PTO speed.
Some folks here will state that in loose ground it will stir things up a bit, but IMHO it is wasted time & fuel.
Willie

maxwell99 · May 12, 2014

I used a 5 ft tiller with my to-35 Ferguson, it
worked very well, but this tractor has a 6 speed
transmission. So it will go very slow with the pto
running fast.

I do not think the tiller will work very well with
the 9 N. You just cannot go slow with the pto
running fast.

Bret4207 · May 12, 2014

You will be low on HP and traveling way too fast.

Leroy · May 12, 2014

Can you mount an engine on the tiller? That wopuld let you run tiller at speed needed and still lower ground speed to where needed.

ericlb · May 12, 2014

as others already told you a N is a terrible tractor for a rototiller, its just too fast, you'll just bounce over the ground and not do much, remember tillers wernt invented until decades after the ford N was.now a N can till ground, thats one of the reasons ol henry ford invented it, if your ground is somewhat loose, as oposed to clay like hardpan, you'll need a small 3 point disc, if your ground is hard as a rock you'll need to borrow a plow the first time, you'll need a way to finish it afterward, depending on weather your planting a crop or growing grass, a harrow will smooth things out, and you can make one of those, or buy one. if for grass you may need to make 2 passes over the ground, work it like it was designed to work, and you'll get good results and enjoy your seat time,

BCOWANWHEELS · May 12, 2014

THANKS FOR THE IMPUT. what about installing a engine on the tiller ? would this work out ? anybody here done it ?
I,am grateful fellas
bob

Fordfarmer · May 12, 2014

The others have already told you about using a
tiller on a 9N.
What I'm wondering is, since you say you'll plow and
disk, why would you need to use a tiller? Plow, disk
twice, and it should be ready to plant. (unless it's
worked when the ground is too wet)

paul · May 12, 2014

Throw enough money at a problem and you can make it
work.....

I'd sooner buy a $300 5-6 foot field cultivator and fluff up the
ground with that, will work with your tractor.

With plowing and disking, the tiller isn't needed, you can get
where you want with the tools you have, or at most a field
cuultivator and a drag of course.

Tiller is not needed, I understand you really want it, but it's not
the direction you need to go.

If you do have to have a tiller, sell the 9n, get a tractor with live
pto and 6 or more gears, and a 3pt tiller, and it will be cheaper
than finding or cobbling together an engine driven tiller in most
cases.

Paul

souNdguy · May 12, 2014

I would not purchase a tiller to use on an N.

if I already owned a 4 or 5' tilelr, and i had soft fluffy soil i had already worked with a turning plow and disc, then yeah.. If I didn't own a harrow or cultivator.. i guess it would not hurt to top dress till the pre worked earth.. but imho.. a plow, disc, cultivator and or another light type of harrow would be the normal choices.

Tillers are for machines with lots of groundspeed options while still maintaining normal pto speed. ie.. 6-8-10 gears on fords..

Bryce Frazier · May 12, 2014

Ya, I have to agree with Paul on this one.. We have a 5 or 6 foot (don't remember...) rototiller that came with our Yanmar F-18D. The tractor is rated at a 22 horse 3cyl diesel, and it STRUGGLES with the rototiller. Plus it is 4wd with a loader, soooo, that compared to an N?!?!?

The Yanmar is a little smaller than my 2n/TO-30, but not buy much! I think I would try it in 1st gear with a 4 speed tractor, be it a 8n, or Ferguson, but I think that would still probably be too fast..

Another big thing to remember when rototilling vs plowing/discing/harrowing. Even though you will only go over it once with the rototiller, you are going to chop up ANYthing into a million pieces, whether that anything is a chain, dog, toy, or weeds... And I have learned in our garden, that when you rototill, for every 1 weed you chop up, you get about 8 more...

I personally would disc/plow/disc/harrow... Bryce

BCOWANWHEELS · May 12, 2014

I have a 5105 jd so I guess I,ll just buy the 7-8 ft tiller for it then. thanks guys you,ve inlightened me. I just really like my papaws old 9n a lot. and its the perfect garden size tractor IMO
REGARDS
BOB IN TN.

Bret4207 · May 13, 2014

A 5105 is about 45 hp isn't it? A 4 foot tiller would be more appropriate, maybe a 5 footer. An 8 foot tiller would need something like 75-85 hp I would think, maybe more, unless you're tilling sand.

chevytaHOE5674 · May 13, 2014

My father has a 7foot tiller behind a 65hp tractor with a slow first gear and it makes the tractor work when you sink it in the ground.

Like Bret said your 5105 is about 45hp so I doubt your going to want a 7 footer. How wide are your tires set out to? If your dead set on getting a tiller I'd be inclined to go as narrow a tiller as possible that will still cover the tire tracks.

BCOWANWHEELS · May 13, 2014

LIKE I SAID I PLOW MY GARDEN THEN DISC IT SEVERAL TIMES THEN I WOULD TILL IT THE DAY OF PLANTING. MY 5105 NEEDS A 7 FT TILLER TO COVER THE TIRE TRACKS. I BELIEVE I,VE BOUGHT A HOWARD TRANS FOR MY 9N............

TimnVa · May 13, 2014

My son has an 8N with the Sherman trans and he uses a 5ft
King Kutter without any problem. Runs it in 1st under I believe
and it does a real nice job.

BCOWANWHEELS · May 13, 2014

THANKS,SEEINGS MY SOIL ISNT UNWORKED LAND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE OK TOO ESPECIALLY WITH A HOWARD AUX. TRANS. THE 9N IS ALOT LIGHTER AND EASIER TO GET AROUND WITH IN THE GARDEN. I,LL RENT OR BORROW A 5FT TILLER TO TRY IT OUT TO SEE HOW IT DOES BEFORE I BUY ONE.
THANKS FOR ALL THE INSIGHT EVERYBODY.
BOB

Bill M. From Illinois · May 15, 2014

I agree with previous comments that the ground speed of an 9n is too fast and you really need a creep gear and live PTO. The thing about finely tilled ground is that it packs tight after heavy rain and is not always the best for planting.

tim(in) · May 17, 2014

Louis Bromfield used a roto tiller behind his 9 n. and he also had one that was pulled by a tractor made by the tiller company. Seaman tillers i believe

Bret4207 · May 18, 2014

Bromfield also didn't believe cigarettes were bad for you. He used what he had available. That doesn't mean it's still the best choice.

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