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What is the easiest plow to pull and you can still get parts for? Possibly looking at semi mounted or pull type hyd lift. Possibly 4 or 5 bottom.
 
Auto reset plows? I"ve had Melroe, IH 720, White 548, White 588.......all 4-6 bottoms. White turns the nicest furrow, easier to maintain than the IH 720. Under-frame clearance is key if plowing cornstalks. White 588 and IH 720 were 36 inch under-frame. IH 710 is 33 inches, 700 is only 30 inches.
 
Oliver 565 for sure. Why you ask, In the picture that's a Oliver 1550 diesel pulling that 565 4x16 Oliver plow in 4th gear hi range and moving right along with it. Bandit
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Case A model trailer plow is by far the easiest plow I have ever pulled. High Clearance for good trash flow. Parts are readily available. I have a 5-16 and it pulls easier than my 4-16 jd plow.
Tim
 
My vote is IH.Lots of 'commonality' on parts that are easily available.The Oliver/White are a very good unit.The older Case was a very good plow,but most/all parts for the left side are obsolete/NLA.I dont know about right side parts.JD would be at the bottom of my list.
 
As far as pull types, you can't beat a Case A series. One of the easiest to pull. Olivers made some good plows as well. John Deeres are some of the hardest pulling in the older plows.
 
I have both a 2 14 IHC and a 3 14 Case Centenial plow, both steel wheel. I took off one bottom on the Case as in the sandy soil here in Okla, that is flat as a dollar, I couldn't pull 3 14s like I could as a kid plowing the farm a mile from the Mo River on some REALLY hilly ground. Go figure. Anyway I think the IHC pulls easier
 
I herd oliver is the best but wanted to know what other people thought and can you still get parts for oliver? What about alls and ih?
 
I have a 550 IH semi mount and a 314 IH rollover both good plows had a couple john deere plows to had a Melroe with Oliver bottoms doesn't pull any easier or harder the 3600 john deers that replaced it . I'd get one that has a dealer around worth a rats a** what ever color it is . The disk and harrow will smooth the ground when you get done a plow never was made to be a seed bed tool
 
It"s funny to read all of the "testimonials".. What farmer has ever put a tension gauge on a plow to determine...."ease of pull"???. It"s just a personal non-measured, opinion! Can vary year to year, moisture, soil conditions, bragging rights. Or, more importantly, compared one or another, in a real, measured pull? I"m betting- NO ONE! In 41 years I"ve just gone by what worked, as technology changed over the years. My first 4-16 Melroe in 1973 was a big improvement over an AC 3-16 trip that didn"t work......all the way up to the 720, 548, 588, til I went to the 435 Disc chisel.....and don"t plow anymore!
 
I can testify.When I put the JD plow in the ground,I LOST a gear!Other friends/neighbors had similar results.
 
(quoted from post at 22:19:42 11/17/13) It"s funny to read all of the "testimonials".. What farmer has ever put a tension gauge on a plow to determine...."ease of pull"???. It"s just a personal non-measured, opinion! Can vary year to year, moisture, soil conditions, bragging rights. Or, more importantly, compared one or another, in a real, measured pull? I"m betting- NO ONE! In 41 years I"ve just gone by what worked, as technology changed over the years. My first 4-16 Melroe in 1973 was a big improvement over an AC 3-16 trip that didn"t work......all the way up to the 720, 548, 588, til I went to the 435 Disc chisel.....and don"t plow anymore!
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Outside of a test facility, where would someone get a tension gauge? People do as they always have, judge plow performance by how the tractor is acting and soil condition as they plow.
 
we have always had Oliver and White plows except for a IH 710 5-18 pos I bought once, I have a 500 Case (588 White)5-20 and I really like it and it will take more stalks than a 720 IH will despite what the red guys tell you
 
our Case 4-14 like that pulled harder than the 565 4-16 sm Oliver that replaced it and it had much less trash clearance
 
plenty of people will tell you a jd like a 145 pulled harder than an Oliver, not someones imagination just personal experience
 
Kverneland is about the only one left building a plow anymore. That should tell you something. If you want mounted, an AB85 is a good plow. If you want something similar in a semi-mount, the BB100 is what you get. Stay clear of the older round beam, fixed width models and it's getting hard to get parts for some of the bottoms like the Hydrein.

Rod
 
No, I don't have detailed engineering numbers to reference just HOW hard certain plows pull as compared to others. What I DO have is a side by side comparison.

I have a JD (exact model not known) 3X14" plow, and a 3X16" Ford 101 plow. I can hook them, one at a time of course, behind a Massey Ferguson 165 I have, and plow in the same field. I've done so on a couple occasions just to validate my opinion. The very same tractor in the very same field struggles with the 3X14 Deere plow and will easily pull (1 gear higher too) the Ford 101. Both are set level, not "sprung" and in otherwise great mechanical condition. The moldboard contour of the Deere plow is what I'd call "more abrupt", causing it to work the tractor MUCH harder. Oddly enough, the Ford plow leaves a MUCH better looking result. (Which MAY be as a result of increased speed, OR, may be the result of simply being a "better plow")

I just recently purchased a Massey Ferguson #66 plow, 3X14". It hasn't been used "side by side" with the other 2, but seems to have similar results with the Ford plow.
 
The IH plow is made by Artsway.Has been for several years.Still the most popular new 2 way plow sold here.JohnDeere only offers a swing plow in 2way.Some guys like em lots of guys hate em.Kuhn sells a 2 way locally.It is a very HEAVY outfit.That said,even our local JD dealer is selling red Artsway plows.....
 
I think that you will find that the Kverneland plow moldboards are even less "abrupt"! Therefore, do a better job at higher speeds, and pull easier.
JMHO, Dave
 
Don't really have an OPINION on this . And for that matter I actually couldn't care less but the entertainment factor here is excellent . If any of you JD lovers has any of the following HORRIBLE JD plows that need scrapped please let me know as I will pay more than the junkman . No's 805 , 810 or 810A special trash , 820 series , 821 or 822 , 825 [ slat bottoms only ] , 835 or 845 [ slat bottoms only ] 880 SERIES , 882 or 883 . Would also take more IHC no 86's as well . Seems amazing every time I read these kinda threads that JD could have ever had a chance to stay in business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL . On a more serious note I will really buy stuff on the list . email if you want rid of some . Always like buying JD stuff from JD haters .
 
The plow that will pull the easiest is the one that is properly hitched and adjusted. I see so many people plowing at plow days that have absolutely no clue how to set a plow or to run it after it is set. Plowing and setting a plow are becoming lost arts. A very minor adjustment in a plow can have a major effect on how it pulls. You don't just hook to a plow and go. There are several critical adjustments to be made to make them perform like they should, regardless of brand. How a plow is scoured has a major effect on how hard a plow pulls as well. I have pulled a 5-16" John Deere 145 plow with a 4020 and pulled right with a 1456 IH with an IH 5-16" plow at the same depth up hills and down and had no trouble keeping up. It's all in how they are set. Mike
 
Not a JD hater. In fact, I own quite a few pieces of Deere equipment. Just not impressed with Deere plows compared to some that are easier to pull and quite a bit less expensive, all the while easier to get parts for.
 
CNH doesn't make a plow period anymore anyway they don't show em in the products on website and the switch plows are junk I don't care who makes em
 
The post above by yours truly was VERY light hearted and should be taken as such !!!!! Was serious about buying the JD plows listed though . IHC # 86 also . That is an integral 2-way for F-12 , F-14 tractors . Gotz four and wantin more.
 
2 Old,

"What is the easiest plow to pull and you can still get parts for? Possibly looking at semi mounted or pull type hyd lift. Possibly 4 or 5 bottom."

That was the question! I'll still say Kverneland! Now, if you want to talk cost, that's a whole different ball game!

Dave
 
Dave, I am with you. I like my JD plows and have an 810, 55, 66, 555, and an F620. The only one that doesn't work all that well is the 810 on a JD 70 with the 800A hitch. As for power to pull them, they all seem to pull easy. But maybe that's because I plow with either my JD 830 or my JD 6230 which have plenty of HP to easily pull 4 bottoms in any conditions. Al
 
Easiest? Sure NOT a Kverneland, least not around here. I'm certainly not out of touch with dealers in this part of the country and I don't know of a single Kverneland plow sold here, or a dealer who carries their products or parts. Non existent is NOT "easy" OR inexpensive.
 
(quoted from post at 14:36:23 11/18/13) 2 Old,

"What is the easiest plow to pull and you can still get parts for? Possibly looking at semi mounted or pull type hyd lift. Possibly 4 or 5 bottom."

That was the question! I'll still say Kverneland! Now, if you want to talk cost, that's a whole different ball game!

Dave
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That was my thought too. On our clays Kvernelands rule.
 
if you could keep up with a 1456 running a 4020 then something was wrong somewhere as an 856 was quite capable of out working a 4020, the 145 had poor trash flow (compared to an Oliver) pulled harder and didn't hold up well around here, the main problem was that the frogs would bend
 
There were probably more 145's in this area than any other plow. No problems with bending frogs, either. I mentioned this to illustrate how a properly adjusted plow can pull easier, regardless of brand. You can go on hating all things Deere if you like as that is your privilege. I respectfully disagree with such blanket statements as experience has proven otherwise in this area. Mike
 
I agree. People can't compare a 1960's plow to a 1980's plow with more beam clearance or the latest Kverneland plow. I plowed many acres as a kid with a 4010 and F145H plow and really did not have many problems but will admit later plows with more clearance handle trash better. I do think Olivers pull easier. I don't think Deere ever came up with a true high speed bottom.
 
2 old is mostly right,maybe 90% of people west of PA.wouldn't know what they even are.I can't think of ANY new plows sold in the last 10yrs.Until the last yr.or so.any make 4-6 bottom plow wouldn't sell for over $100 to $400 at a auction.Odd makes even less.
 
Now that I think about it, Kverneland's forte is the auto reset plow! Even the 2 way "roll over" plows have that feature! Perhaps that is why they aren't well known away from the northeast, where auto resets are a necessity, and prolly cost more as a result!
Dave
 
Yes.I'm not sure,but i believe they bought the IH plow line several years before IH stopped 'selling' plows.The last IH plows were acctually Artsway plows.
 
(quoted from post at 11:42:54 11/18/13) The plow that will pull the easiest is the one that is properly hitched and adjusted. I see so many people plowing at plow days that have absolutely no clue how to set a plow or to run it after it is set. Plowing and setting a plow are becoming lost arts. A very minor adjustment in a plow can have a major effect on how it pulls. You don't just hook to a plow and go. There are several critical adjustments to be made to make them perform like they should, regardless of brand. How a plow is scoured has a major effect on how hard a plow pulls as well. I have pulled a 5-16" John Deere 145 plow with a 4020 and pulled right with a 1456 IH with an IH 5-16" plow at the same depth up hills and down and had no trouble keeping up. It's all in how they are set. Mike
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The thing is that there aren't any people around anymore to instruct folks on how to set them. I've got the old books and pamphlets from Ford, IHC, Case, Deere, etc. on setting plows and I understand the basic idea, but it takes someone who has spent years of plowing with a particular style of plow and various tractors to figure it out. These days wit 4wd and 150HP you just rip and tear and get 'er done. In the old days with a 30-45 hp tractor and no sprays you had to do a GOOD job or you;d pay for it the following spring. You had to do that good job and you had to get it done with not a lot of power. So those guys learned out of necessity how to do it right. That era is basically gone.
 
You can get more abrupt bodies for them too that break the soil
more as it turns but they pull harder.

Outside of the turkish/chinese 1 bottoms at the compact dealers KV
is about the only new plow you can buy in the east. A few
overum's, handful of that french one greg bisson or whatever, and a
bunch of KV's.
 
I have never bent a frog on any plow even a pos john deere 4 bottom fully mounted hooked to a 4320 or a 4430 breaking out old ground in rocks and brish but then if you hooked it to a case or IH tractor it probly would bend the frogs because of all the extra HP
 
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