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IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model????"

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jboyer1028

11-11-2013 18:44:53
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The pictures are of my Grandpa probably in the 1950s. The tractor I believe to be his Farmall 400 which he had for many years. What is the IHC McCormick Deering combine/harvester model and year???





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jboyer1028

11-15-2013 00:03:59
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to Brendon-KS, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
Mike

If you could copy the specs out of your manual that would be great. There are manuals on ebay for the No 64 harvester and also the engine but I haven't been able to figure out which model the engine is. On the front of the manual for the engine is says 3X4" but I don't know what that means.

Jeff



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jboyer1028

11-15-2013 00:44:25
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-15-2013 00:03:59  
I see what you mean by the WHS web site. Now I can't sleep. On the WHS site it lists two engines under the No 64 Harvester

3 X 4"

2 5/8 X 2 3/4"

I wonder if that is the bore and stroke of the engines?

Great web site but I haven't found any manuals.

Jeff



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jboyer1028

11-15-2013 15:43:50
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-15-2013 00:44:25  
Thanks for your input and information. I downloaded some data from the Wisconsin Historical Society web site and it is starting to make more sense. It appears like IHC used the continental engines prior to the No. 64 Harvester. Two engines are listed for the No 64 Harvester. See attached picture. One is the Farmall A tractor engine and the other is the Farmall Cub engine. Most of the original manuals on ebay are for the A engine which is much bigger so I would guess most of the No 64 Harvesters had the A engine. But who knows. At least it's making more sense. If you see something wrong in my logic let me know.

Jeff

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jboyer1028

11-13-2013 16:30:41
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to SadFarmall, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
The information you are providing is a big help. So it has a 4 cylinder, Continental L-head (Flathead) engine. Could it be F124, F140, or F160? Is the IHC McCormick Deering production and spec data available on the web? Also, are these old engines still around for collectors?

Jeff



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Absent Minded Farmer

11-14-2013 20:43:15
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-13-2013 16:30:41  
I'm not sure yet which Continental was used. Can't find my 64 manual at the moment, just the one for the engine & that covers several models. There are still Continental engines being made. They're sold through Wisconsin Motors. NOT to be confused with Continental Motors who still makes a good airplane engine.

There's a link below to a copy of IH's production list that's up to date through '78. The combine is listed under the first page of "Thresher-Harvester". Looks like they made 32,819 of them. If you'd like to check out more of the IH collection on the WHS site, look toward the upper-left-corner-area of the page & click on "International Harvester Collection". Be careful, it's easy to lose track of time on a site like that. Not that I'd know....

As for surviving engines, depending on what model, there should still be plenty around. Original parts, too.

Specs I can copy out of my manual if you'd like.

Mike

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Absent Minded Farmer

11-12-2013 21:37:30
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
Great pictures!!

My Grandpa had a 62, 64 & a 76 throughout his farming career, though I only remember the 76. However, it was my Great Uncle (IH dealer) who told me of the finer points in the progression of those pull-type combines. From what I see, it's a 64. The 62 was similar in design, but had a rounded back like the 42, 52, 140, etc. The 64 had the hood over the separator flattened & shortened a bit. The 76 was real close to the 64, but the dead give-away was the "New" fold out auger on the side of the grain tank as opposed to the front.

As for dates, the 62 was made from '41 to '51, the 64 was from '51 to '54 & the 76 was '55 to '58.

The power unit in your pic is the Continental L-head engine, can't remember the c.i.d.

Hope this helps.

Mike

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Leroy

11-13-2013 05:13:00
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to Absent Minded Farmer, 11-12-2013 21:37:30  
Mike, what year was the 42 made? That is what Dad had and pulled with the PTO on a 44 2N Ford.



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Absent Minded Farmer

11-13-2013 18:26:37
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to Leroy, 11-13-2013 05:13:00  
The 42 was made '40 to '44. Sounds like a nice setup. Was the 2N geared low enough for a combine or was there a step-down in the transmission?

Mike



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Leroy

11-14-2013 05:14:37
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to Absent Minded Farmer, 11-13-2013 18:26:37  
Probably before the step up was installed and I have never seen a step down. The step up gave a speed equal to 4th in your Farmal H, a blank spot that was fixed with the 8N. And the step up - step down also changed the PTO speed in the same ratio as the ground speed as those units replaced the input shaft in the front of the transmission from the clutch. I was about 3 when Dad got it, that would have been in 1946, the same year he bought a GI corn picker he also pulled with the Ford and might have been about 7 when he sold it. Person that bought it picked it up with a Allis B. At that time Dad bought a used Allis 60 combine with the engine. 5' cut instead of 3 1/2' cut. I do not know if it had the rasp bar or spike tooth cylinder but it did have the grain tank.

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jboyer1028

11-12-2013 21:19:05
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to JWalker, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. Is production and spec data available on the web? I haven't been able to find much other than some pictures of the machines. Also, were the Cub and Super A engines IHC engines and are there still some engines around? I have other IHC hit n miss engines.

Jeff



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oliver fan

11-12-2013 20:42:12
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
That is a early model 64 machine built about 1952 (+/-). It has the tall elevators. The 1954 models had the newer lower elevators like the model 76. It could have had a cub or a super A engine, both were available.



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jboyer1028

11-12-2013 17:45:30
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to rrlund, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
What kind of engines were used and where can I find more information on the engines and combines? I haven't found much on the web so far.

Jeff



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tractor300

11-12-2013 06:24:40
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-11-2013 18:44:53  
Either a 64 or a 76, can't see enough of it to tell for sure. It has been a lot of year's since i've had one.



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jboyer1028

11-12-2013 15:44:19
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to tractor300, 11-12-2013 06:24:40  
I found a 76 in the 150 Years of International book but not a 64. I don't see a PTO shaft in the pictures. Could the part he is leaning on be an engine that ran the combine???

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Jeff



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frank whitehead

11-14-2013 17:27:03
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-12-2013 15:44:19  
Jeff does your IHC book show a 1938 or 1939 combine
it was pto driven with sacking platform, not painted red, but unpainted also augar on platforn would like the model numbers and pictures if possible. Frank



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BillOHIO

11-12-2013 16:37:21
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 Re: IHC McCormick Deering Combine/Harvester Model???? in reply to jboyer1028, 11-12-2013 15:44:19  
Jeff, Yes your machine in picture has auxiliary engine which makes me guess it is a 64. I had a PTO Model 76. Like stated hard to tell which yours is as main difference was 76 had wider cylinder and separating area but the grain tank and all was similar. Also not many 76's were built with aux. engine however it was an option on 76.

Bill



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