John Deere Plow

Jdgal

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I just purchased this plow from my grandparents estate auction and I am curious to know what year this plow is and the model so I may be able to restore it as it has sentimental value to me!
 
I am new to this site. How do I post a picture?
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I will take some better pictures tomorrow when it's light out and will write down the beam numbers
 
I'm glad everyone agrees it's an Oliver ;)

It looks like a #4 John Deere with different wheels rigged up on it. Sorry I can't put an exact date on it, early to mid 30's I would say.

Post this in the John Deere forum to get Bob Collins' attention, he'll know for sure.
 
I'm no Deere plow expert,but I'm about 99.9% sure it's not an Oliver. No Oliver I know had a hitch or crank like that one.
 
The frame/beams of that plow are positively JD 4 and will say 632A on long beam and 583A on short MFg '39-'47. Those wheels are not original to the plow and may very well be Oliver as with the crank.Here is a JD # 4B plow to compare.
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No idea what brand the wheels are, but the rest of it, hitch spring release, hitch support rod, & crank for adjusting the furrow wheel are definitely J D # 4, or as my Dad called his, Pony Model.
Willie
 
The John Deere #4 and #4A plows have a leveling crank instead of the lever used on the later 4B (and 4C & 4D) This sure looks like a #4 with different wheels. #4 made 1929 -1930. #4A 1930-1935.
 
And I forgot to mention some of those 4 & 4A plows used beams 583 and 584 before the 623 was used. The suffix "A" is part of the part number but it isn't stamped into the beam.
 
Pull it. If it pulls hard it's a Deere, if it pulls easy it's an OLIVER!

( I really think it's a JD steel wheel that someone stuck OLIVER wheels on)
 
Good find. I too found and bought back an old plough of my fathers for sentimental reasons.
That old girl will look sharp when all fixed up.
 
Bob,
I think it's a No. 4 based on what I can see of the hitch. I've got a very late 4A and it shares many of the same features as the No. 4. The No. 4 hitch was more like a "Y" shape rather than a straight hitch bar and a simple diagonal brace. I've seen some wierd stuff with oliver bottoms on JD plows and what not, but have never seen oliver wheels on a JD plow. It would be interesting to see what the land wheel looks like.
Tyler B in IL
 
I know for sure it is a John Deere plow as it is stamped into the casting on the beams. I will pull the numbers off from the beams tomorrow. Once I can figure out the model of the plow I would like to restore it back to the way it's suppose to be so any help on where to get parts would be great if you know of any. I am located in the Olivet area. Thanks for all you help thus far.
 
I'm glad you confirmed it is John Deere as I have one just about like it with odd tires on it. Mine had a tire cut and wired on the right side which recently got discarded and the other one looks like a car tire. Looks like you need a tail wheel or did they make them without????Did any of thr 4 & 4A come with tires? I would assume they were suspose to be steel on both sides. What is the color make up on these plows?

Over on the John Deere Forum they were surprised I can pull this with my "H" which was what it came with. It works pretty well.
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Tyler,
What I look for to distinguish a 4 from a 4A is the support for the leveling crank. The 4 has it bolted to the furrow side beam and the 4A has it bolted to the front cross member. Early 4A plows had a one piece support, while later during/after 1934 plows had a two piece adjustable support. In his picture, I can't see where it is attached. There are other differences too, just where I start looking. Bob
 
The beams have John Deere 583 and John Deere 584 pressed into the beams. Will this help figure out the year? The other wheel that I took a picture of, is this the right one for this plow or it wrong like the other side with the rubber tire?
I know it is missing one of the cutting wheels and will need to locate one. Also is there suppose to be a wheel on the rear? If so will need to locate one of them too!
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Those plow bottoms look like Oliver to me. And that's conceivable since the wheels are Oliver, as everyone points out. I bet you'll find a part number with a 219 or 419 stamped on the back of the moldboards.

If it was me and that was my grandparents' plow, I would leave it the way it is. Fix it so it's usable, but leave the incorrect wheels and bottoms on it. That way the plow is like your grandparents used. It got modified for a reason and when you restore it back to original it kind of loses it's soul, in my opinion. Modifications are what give old farm machinery character. Plus, it would be interesting to see at a show: John Deere green plow with red Oliver bottoms and Oliver green (I guess) wheels.

It had a tail wheel when new, but it probably didn't fit with the different plow bottoms, plus it still worked by riding on the heel casting of the landside.
 
That makes it a #4 built 1929 or 1930. The wheels are both wrong, I think a proper tail wheel would still work, but IHCPloughman has some good suggestions if you are leaning that way. Coulters are often missing from old plows and can be added when you can find them.
 
Your plow is definitely a 4 - not a 4A . The hitch on yours is unique to 4's . Pics are a 1934 4A with the later non-ripple edge wheel . The plow in the pics is for my A # 410312 as it is the same age . Used to have a complete set of these 4-4A plows but all but this one are gone . Had 5 of them and all were different. MANY differences in the few years these were made . Early ones have the crank bracket also being the spring anchor point . Later ones this is separate etc , etc , etc . This and the last variation are what I call the " Model A " types as the crank and lever can be raised up to work with the high seat on A's . Tylers is the last variation and this one is next to last variation . PS if your threaded rod for the leveling crank is bad I have NOS ones and also the threaded nut it screws into .
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