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Texasmark1 · Sep 28, 2013

Hope you are feeling better.

"Beins" we all seem to like pics and they usually tell the truth,
here is a few on my Hay King pasture renovator.

After running this today, being September and a drought and
black clay and all that, good penetration with minimal surface
disturbance, I thought about using it next year rather than my
chisel for the first run to get down below the plow pan.

Then when I come back for subsequent passes with my new
offset disc or a disc harrow towing, either towing a spike harrow,
I won't have to endure the usual rough ride for getting the
ground broken.

Last time I think I said it cut 12". Well this is close enough. Tell
you one thing Hay King builds tough stuff. Found out why.
Company formed by farmers to serve a need and decided to go
commercial. Their drag type disc harrows and specialty discs
(offset) are first class with all the whistles and bells. Built like
this guy.....like a tank.

The last picture is remnants of a couple of white worms that are
truly abundant......catfisherman's paradise. They are huge. Don't
know how much of either I cut off.

Mark

Texasmark1 · Sep 28, 2013

Forgot to add: Obviously part of the reason for all this was information for interested parties looking for a better way to farm which I'm sure is part of the reason for a lot of the pics we enjoy on here.

I bought this from my local JD dealer a couple springs ago for $1500 new. It has 4 coulters and shanks. I guess mother deere has realized that they needed to expand their product line to include something other than JD green. Not bad for what you see. I had to pay that for my 8' offset and it is at least 20 years old from a local used equip. dealer.

I have 57 PTO HP on this tractor, no idea as to drawbar....everybody uses PTO as a dyno is easy to hookup and read. I pulled it at PTO RPM in B2 out of C4 gears and engine dropped about 100 or so from 2600 when the shanks hit the dirt. As stated earlier I'm pulling in black clay primarily so if you are in sand or loam, it shouldn't take as many ponies to do the job for you.

Mark

Tx Jim · Sep 28, 2013

Mark
How many trips over the field did it take to get the pasture renovator to that depth? According to photo more than ONE. What is the photo of the tape measure suppose to indicate. Shank penetration depth maybe?? Having worked for JD dealer I know JD doesn't care what "short line equipment" a dealer stocks as long as it's not in direct competition with the equipment JD produces.

Texasmark1 · Sep 28, 2013

I made one pass over the field at that depth and then came back
with the 3pt lowered for about 5' to get the pic of where it was
running. You can tell from the rear picture that there is only one
trip.

I guess the words "don't compete with mother" is the answer. I
can remember talking to the same local dealer years ago and the
word was if it wasn't JD green it wouldn't be on the place. Guess
times change.

Mark

Tx Jim · Sep 28, 2013

(quoted from post at 13:34:17 09/28/13) I made one pass over the field at that depth and then came back
with the 3pt lowered for about 5' to get the pic of where it was
running. You can tell from the rear picture that there is only one
trip.Mark

Ok so If I'm following you the photo is of the pasture renovator on it's 2nd trip over the same ground to attain that depth.

Texasmark1 · Sep 28, 2013

You don't get it do you? I went back 5' into the rut to show you
how deep it was cutting. 5' is half the length of the tractor and
plow. It really makes no difference to me one way or the other what
you think or what you believe. Seems you have your mind made up
but that's your doing not mine.

Why don't you go and buy one and see for yourself?

Tx Jim · Sep 28, 2013

Mark
First I don't have to go buy one as I already own a 6 shank. You're correct I don't understand why you need to go back 5 ft to show me how deep it's going, You put my name in this thread as if you wanted my opinion and you received my opinion but you don't like my opinion so how about let's just drop it. :wink:

Texasmark1 · Sep 29, 2013

It's because the last time I posted about this implement you
didn't believe me. So this time I have pictures to prove that I
wasn't exaggerating or just down right lieing. It's a credibility
thing.

The reason I get the depth is because unlike the way I assume it
was designed....level platform when running, I run mine down in
the back which means that the coulter depth (bottoming out)
doesn't set the cutting depth shallow.

I went back 5' because I had the tractor sitting in the yard when I
remembered last year's conversation/comments. I went in the
house, got my camera, put the tractor back where it was
working and took a few pictures.

So what brand is your 6 shank and how deep does it cut?

Mark

Tx Jim · Sep 29, 2013

My pasture renovator is a Hay King similar to yours that I bought used with good shanks,tips & coulters. All I can tell you on depth as deep as my Kubota M7040(65 pto hp) would pull it without excessive tire slippage. The soil that I own is the hardest soil I've ever plowed when dry and will bog a snipe when it's really wet. I had the points hard surfaced by a certified welder and a lot of hard surfacing wore off on the 43 acres I used it on.

Lengthening the center link changes the angle that the points were designed to cut the soil!!!!!!!! If you want more then loosen the coulters and raise them UP. I haven't gotten an operators manual for mine but I'll bet it states to run frame level.

Texasmark1 · Sep 29, 2013

Well thanks for that tip. Will check it out and adjust accordingly.

I agree that the shanks are not at the designed angle. Didn't pay
attention to that until I pulled up their www after a local used
guy had one of their drag disc harrows for sale and I marveled at
how well it was constructed and that it had all the right parts
that most neglect. Did notice a similarity in parts and
construction techniques to the renovator. Makes sense.

The renovator on the site had the deck level. I still can't get over
how well these things are not only designed but built, even down
to the castings being theirs with their name cast in.

Mark

sotxbill · Oct 6, 2013

already wore out two sets of cutter blades on my
renovator. Red clay, like concrete unless I break
it every couple of years. The front is wonderful
sandy loam, the very back is sugar sand. The
middle is the devil"s bit with the hardest dang
red clay I have ever seen. It will NOT grow
anything unless you break it up often.

I have never tilted mine back like that to get the
extra depth. But I really have to lengthen the
top link on the hard pan, and loosen it a bit on
the other. Because I run it over my coastal
fields, the coulters are critical to keeping it
from clogging so running nearly level has got to
happen or it will foul up so thick that I will be
a week digging out grass balls.

Nice pictures.. Bill

Texasmark1 · Oct 6, 2013

Thanks.

Per TJ's coaching, I looked at the renovator and found that I could raise the coulters 2 1/2 inches. So I did. Next time I use it I will have it level and I agree with his assumption that it should be level. Looking at the cutting tips, that makes sense.

I got out my "mickey mouse" owners manual that came with it and it was totally CYA. All it talked about was safety pretty much. So much for the Philadelphia lawyers.

Mark

Anonymous-0 · Oct 31, 2013

I want to use this on pasture and was hoping it would not tear up the grass but on your picture do not see much grass between shanks. If it ruffs my permanant pasture up this bad I cannot use it or I need to move the shanks farther apart. What do you think? A man suppose to use a 8 shank hay king on my hard spots in my pasture and now I am afraid to try this. Would to get a email from anyone on this.

Tx Jim · Oct 31, 2013

I think that how smooth the soil is left after using a Hay King pasture renovator will depend on soil type. The blacker the soil the rougher and the sandier the less disturbed. That's my observation as to how it was on the Coastal fields I ran mine on.

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