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Re: Baler shearing bolts

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Tx Jim

06-27-2013 14:44:14
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Rickb said: (quoted from post at 17:15:05 06/27/13) [/ On NH balers, the trip linkage is adjustable fore & aft and up & down where it contacts the clutch pawl. When the home position is properly adjusted, the needles can't drop by gravity because the knotter shaft would have to counter-rotate against the trip linkage. The brake does little to hold the needle


Rick

I'm going to give you an example of how the needle brake is important on any ""COLOR"" sq baler. The knotter system trips to start tying process and hole/rut is encountered with LH tire enough to make needle frame drop a little,plungerhead stop engages BAM flywheel pin is sheared. Exception to this is a field with no holes or ruts. No ruts/holes is only encountered in Texas with no floods or extreme dry weather or presence of gophers/fire ants. .
This post was edited by Tx Jim at 14:47:04 06/27/13 2 times.

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RickB

06-27-2013 14:55:46
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to Tx Jim, 06-27-2013 14:44:14  
You're splitting hairs. My point is when "home" is properly adjusted (New Holland only?), the knotter brake doesn't hold the needles out of the bale chamber; the clutch pawl and latch plate do. I could jump up and down on the needle bail and the needles would not enter the chamber even if the brake had zero tension. The brake does limit uncontrolled knotter shaft/needle movement, especially during the tie cycle.
None of this helps the OP and his 336.

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Tx Jim

06-27-2013 16:28:55
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to RickB, 06-27-2013 14:55:46  
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In the home position the JD is held very similar with the clutch pawl and latch plate to NH. I'm not SPITTING HAIRS but trying to explain "REAL LIFE field conditions" irregardless of the color of the baler !!!!
If the needle brake on a NH sq baler wasn't necessary for good operation why would a NH sq baler even have a needle shaft brake??????????

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RickB

06-28-2013 14:10:34
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to Tx Jim, 06-27-2013 16:28:55  
I don't know (or care ) where you got the idea that I said the knotter brake is unnecessary. I spent 15 years fixing New Holland balers in seven counties around here, I think that is sufficient "real world" experience to at least allow me to bring my opinions here. My mistake was extrapolating my NH experience to a Deere baler. My apologies for that.
Best wished to the OP in solving his current problem.

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Tx Jim

06-28-2013 15:47:43
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to RickB, 06-28-2013 14:10:34  
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Right here and I'll quote you

[/quote]The brake does little to hold the needle bail in place when home is correct.[/quote] :wink:
What keeps NH needles from prematurely entering the bale chamber once the tying dog is engaged/tripped? THE BRAKE which is what I was trying to state the importance of the brake.



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RickB

06-28-2013 16:25:27
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to Tx Jim, 06-28-2013 15:47:43  
Apples & Oranges. My comment is based on the knotter clutch being disengaged. But if it makes you feel better you can win. Now go read my new post on the original question.



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Tx Jim

06-29-2013 06:09:45
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to RickB, 06-28-2013 16:25:27  

RickB said: (quoted from post at 19:25:27 06/28/13) Apples & Oranges. But if it makes you feel better you can win.


Rick

I don't see the "Apples to Oranges" comparison. My comments/replies have nothing to do with "winning or losing" but providing "correct information". If I make an incorrect statement I welcome for someone with correct info. to correct me. My experience on NH sq balers is limited as I worked at a JD dealership but all sq balers bale hay using the same principles.

Jim
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NHBalerman

06-28-2013 20:19:01
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to RickB, 06-28-2013 16:25:27  
I have to agree with Rick B on this one,he is right about the clutch pawl and the brake isnt going to be much help until the knotters are engaged.



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Tx Jim

06-29-2013 04:45:38
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to NHBalerman, 06-28-2013 20:19:01  
I never disagreed with that FACT. But the second the knotter system trips to tie the brake is important on a NH to kep needles from entering bale case TOO QUICKLY which is what I was trying to emphasize. Maybe I didn't come across as stating that but that's what I mean't.
This post was edited by Tx Jim at 04:48:18 06/29/13.



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RodInNS

06-27-2013 20:17:06
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to Tx Jim, 06-27-2013 16:28:55  
Jim, I'm not sure what your point is here. Rick made a point about proper adjustment of needle home position that was given in the context of 'in addition to correct brake adjustment', not exclusive of it... It doesn't do a damn for the OP if the needle brake is fine and the needles out of adjustment.

Rod



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Tx Jim

06-28-2013 03:32:46
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 Re: Baler shearing bolts in reply to RodInNS, 06-27-2013 20:17:06  
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Rod

My point is it's vice-verse on correct needle adjustment and needle brake loose on a JD . I've seen a lose needle brake overlooked many times on a sq baler and bolts sheared.



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