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Re: Corn binder elevator question

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04-28-2013 17:33:27

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Cowman. I just saw a vid on U Tubes with a binder with a long conveyer, and tghe outside end looked to be 2ftor less from the ground.

Leroy. IF the corn is cut when its dry, say in Oct/Sept, Whats/wheres the problem.

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04-28-2013 17:44:00

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-28-2013 17:33:27  
The corn when cut for a shreader is still green in the stalk but the kernel on the ear is in dent stage but still about 25% moisture, whene cut for silo the kernel has not yet reached the dent stage and the moisture would be better than 30%. Corn for silage is August and depending on variety and planting date for shreading usually about mid September. No corn was waited till october to cut with a binder, at that time it would have been ripe and dry enough to pick and crib the ears. For silage it was chopped the day it was cut but for the shreader it sat for likely 2 monthe to cure out before shreading and that fodder made good dairy cow feed, the ears were seperated and cribbed for later feeding to cows in ground feed or to hogs or chickens. But it was never cut when dry.

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04-28-2013 17:59:02

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Leroy, 04-28-2013 17:44:00  
These dates are for the eastern corn belt that goes from ohio west to Iowa.

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04-28-2013 17:35:01

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-28-2013 17:33:27  
AND, Im in Okla. Drying corn isnt a problem

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04-28-2013 19:23:53

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-28-2013 17:35:01  
Leroy, Help me understand what your saying. AND where are you located at?
Ive watched several demonstrations useing a shredder, and the corn was 6mos cut. It seemed tol husk out and shred alright?? This in NE Okla

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04-29-2013 06:28:23

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-28-2013 19:23:53  
Western Ohio, and corn that was 6 months cut? Do you mean it was 6 months from planting date to harvest ot in shock for 6 months? When the corn was run thru a shreader it was the fodder blown into the mow in the barn and if it was not dry enough it would mold or worse yet do like too wet hay and start to smoulder ane eventually burn the barn down. For silage it has to have enough moisture in to ferment in the air tight conditions of the silo. Corn that has dried out will keep in shock for years and be good as long as the rodents stay out. Was back in 59 the last year I cut and shreaded corn. And there is just a bundle carrier for shocking to get the bundles out of the way for the next round and then the wagon elevator for loading the bundles on the wagon for haulling to the silo filler (stationary chopper) set next to the silo. More questions I will try to explain. Will open email

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04-29-2013 12:38:13

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Leroy, 04-29-2013 06:28:23  
Was it you or your dad cutting corn in 59? Why did whichever of you quit??

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04-29-2013 07:48:18

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Leroy, 04-29-2013 06:28:23  
Outa courisity, how long will shreded corn keep?
I watched another vid last night on U Tubes on Corn Binders, and it showed the low down conveyor stopping at intervals to collect shocks before kicking them out. i suppose doing that or not would depend on the bu per acre in the field.
How is the best way to feed shredded corn to cows to avoid wasteage? Whats best to feed it in?

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04-30-2013 06:18:01

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-29-2013 07:48:18  
At that time here nobody droped the corn planter in the ground untill May 15 and would be planting up to the first of June. When the binders were designed the normal yield was about 75 bu per acre, when we quit using the binder yield was around 100-125 bu per acre, I don't think a binder would make it thru 200 bu per acre corn. But then corn was all in 40 or 42" rows with stalks ranging from 2 to 4 stalks per hill in checked corn, (quit checking probably in the 40"s when got tractor cultivator,1944, to young at that time to know anything, was less than a year old when Dad got the first tractor cultivator) to about a foot apart in drilled corn so there were not as many plants together in a row, and when the binders came out they were all horse drawn, I have never seen a pto powered binder but later they were that way. So on the horse drawn ones there was the seat for the operator to ride on and so they would not have to carry the bundles as far they would let the bundle carrier acluminate for about 15 feet, the distance between shocks and the operator would press a pedal when ever he wanted to unload for the shock. When they started to pull them with a tractor it would have required an extra operator to do that so for the most part they were wired into the position that kept the carrier going all the time even tho it ment carrying that bundle the extra 5' to the shock. To try to answer some questions I do not know if you are in an area that hay was stacked outside or not but here we always had to keep it in a dry barn otherwise it would spoil, nobody left it outside till the big round balers and by spring the bales were rotted down in a pile having fallen apart. Now if you could keep hay in a barn for 5 years then you also could have kept the foder that long as well but nobody had that much storage or acreage to get a second year on hand so most was only kept till spring and you were out of feed. And hoped you got a crop in the spring-summer for the next winter. Our barn had two mows, one floor level that was used for the hay and a second overhead mow that a third to half was used for straw for bedding, the other part was filled with the shreader fodder. The cow stable was a lean to on the back of the barn and the barn side was a manger and in evening would fill that manger with the fodder, what was left the next morning was put out for beddeing and if not enough finnished with straw, then that morning the manger was filled with hay and that was usually gone by evening feeding as you would not put out anymore than needed and you would bed in the evening with straw. Would always use a wood prong fork for handling the fodder as it would not go into the leaves-stalks like the steel prong would and by that would not have to pull some off the tines at every fork full. At that time you also milked in the loafing shed, no seperate parlors. When we quit using the binder that I just sold and is still in working condition that my Mothers Dad bought new in about 1937 and he sold it to my Fathers Dad in 1946 we had just picked up some more ground and had more hay and the barn was full so we did not need the fodder for feed and hay kept a rotation going and was less work. The binder and shreader were kept so that if we would have been short of hay we still would have if we had any corn crop would have had feed for the cows. What corn that was not cut for shreading was picked with a 1 row pull type corn picker and cribed. At the end I was doing the evening feeding of the foder but I was still in school at that time. So both Dad and I when I could worked on things. I have to pull out both the binder, a John Deere and New Idea shreader to take them up to the Amish that I have been furnishing steel wheel machinery to for a few years where they will be put back in use this fall. They also made an attachment but have never seen one for cutting soybeans that were put in rows for putting the beans in the silo. At 69 years I am pretty much retired, what farm I have left is rented out, and I work as I feel like it on rebuilding the machinery for the Amish, last year I did 12 hay rakes, 2 horse mowers and a 2 row planter. But my health does not allow me to work hard or much at a time with heart problems. Have Amish friends that have McCormic corn binders but I cannot tell you about the bundle drive but if you would want I could coppy a couple of pages out of the operators manual for this Deere binder that you could see what the bundle carrier, wagon loader and soybean attachment looked like. But for that I would need your snail mail address as I have no Idea how to put a picture with an email. With the older computors and scanners and camaras wife could do it but not with the newer equipment. More questions? And we got rid of the dairy cows in 1980. Lester

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04-30-2013 08:42:01

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Leroy, 04-30-2013 06:18:01  
Man, that was alot of typing. Bet yer fingers was near smoking by the time you got done. Funny that we both got NI shredders.
oned question. What do you think would happen if youu ran leaves of hay through the shredder.

Nother question. If I didnt see your answer before, sorry. IF you were feeding beef cows through the winter on shredded corn. What would be the best thing, you think. to feed it in to them?
My shredder is ground drive, but I know where theres an old iron wheeled PTO JD binder 6 miles from me, but its been setting out for 50yrs, so you can guess the condition.

Thanks for all the time and effort.
In NE Kansas, We had a big barn. Bro got the place, and lives there now. It had a 2 story floor also. both ground level. Horses on one side, cows on the other, and the middle for whatever. haveing pigs farrow, calves born ect. it had 3 rock walls and they absorbed moisture. Vet told dad NOT to try raising bottle calves in it as they would all have pnumonia, which they did. SO he kept the VB JD drill in there, and later the #24 IHC 2 row CP after we got rid of our first picker a WBs. I think I learned how to cuss good from watching dad put that on his 48 H. Thanks again. Bill Christopher

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04-30-2013 10:59:28

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-30-2013 08:42:01  
Ground drive shreader is something else as a corn shreader is a flat belt drive from the belt pully on that H. You set it up same as a threshing machine for wheat-oats. Never raised beef cattle only milkers. And it would just plug the feed rolls if you tried to put hay in it. There are 2 rolls that are snapping rolls and mine being a smaller size has 4 husking rolls while the larger model has 6 husking rolls.

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04-30-2013 15:31:12

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Leroy, 04-30-2013 10:59:28  
I guess I got you confused somewhere Leroy. I have BOTH a NI Shredder, AND a Ground Drive IHC Binder. Mine likely is a smaller size. It looks to be 2ft wide. SHREDDER, that is

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04-30-2013 17:42:54

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 Re: Corn binder elevator question in reply to Farmallb, 04-30-2013 15:31:12  
Your line is "my shredder is ground drive", I think you were thinking binder and typed shredder, easy done and I read my posts about 3 times because of that problem. The New Idea shreader was built about 40 mile from me amd one neighbor worked in the factory years ago and some friends worked in the engineering department when they closed the factory that the town wants to make into a musuem but the EPA is balking because there is paint in there from when it was used as a factory.

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