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Re: Is a 2 row 56 planter any different than a 4 row?

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Paul

04-04-2013 04:32:10
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Huh?

I never saw a 2 row 56, aren't you buying a very expensive chopped down 4 row already, and then plan to throw away the planter only keeping the fert tank?

Those plot planter are sold for big money, would seem cheaper to buy a fert tank by itself from a scrap yard, or even a new fiberglass tank would be cheaper than scraping out a plot planter?

Paul




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rockyridgefarm

04-04-2013 05:14:13
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 Re: Is a 2 row 56 planter any different than a 4 row? in reply to Paul, 04-04-2013 04:32:10  
The pics are "for example". The two planters I'm buying are both 4 row and I'm paying scrap price - about $500 for the pair. I'm looking to cut them down like shown in the picture.
I started out looking for liquid tanks or dry fertilizer tanks, but once they're off the planter, they get expensive - or at least the asking prices are high. These tanks will essentially be free if I resell the planters.

Frankly, I know little to nothing about IH planters. I have a 7000 Deere 6 row 30. So maybe there was never a 2 row 56 and all I'm finding are cut down 4 row planters. In that case, I'll just do it the easiest way - cut off the outer rows.

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Paul

04-04-2013 06:36:48
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 Re: Is a 2 row 56 planter any different than a 4 row? in reply to rockyridgefarm, 04-04-2013 05:14:13  
I see! 'Here' a planter like that is going to run more than what a new fert tub from Shoup would cost, so it was confusing to me.....

I've never done it, but cutting down old planters into feed plot planters for the 10 acre homesteaders and deer hunters is a big business, hence the price of old planters... Again 'here' talk of scrapping good planter units would be crazy talk. ;) I believe you would shorten the frame to accommodate 2 rows, and then move a pair of rows to fit on the planter, with a fert tub, and work out the drive. I believe it would be hard to move the hitch and it would be hard to keep the 2 inner row units. You would want to lop off 2 rows after taking everything off the main bar, and then place either the left or right pair back on the planter.

The 2 extra row units would be converted into a single or double 3pt planter as well, no markers, just need to savage a drive wheel assembly from somewhere.

They ask $1400 for a setup like that with fert tub around here, so you would get over $5000 for your 'scrap planters' around here with some time and a spray can of paint invested.

Enough worthless babble.

Have you used a front mounted cultivator much? I ran some for a couple decades. Maybe you are on very dry land, but here, again, you would not ever want 1000 lbs more weight on one. Trying to get through the wet spots is an adventure as it is, without any extra weight!

I like your ingenuity, but think this will be a long work in progress until it becomes a happy solution for you.... For a few acres like you have a smaller setup would work, and when you get bigger this will become too cumbersome, I fear.

You really need a ground drive for it, off the rear axles or a drive wheel, so you can always match fert flow to ground speed. Hyd or pto or electric drives will add more complexity as you can't easily keep your fert rate matched to your ground speed. I remember cultivating, it takes a lot of more throttle from time to time.....

Paul

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rockyridgefarm

04-04-2013 07:58:07
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 Re: Is a 2 row 56 planter any different than a 4 row? in reply to Paul, 04-04-2013 06:36:48  
Hey Paul,

I'm not looking to "make" money off them, just get mine back. I could do it by hauling them in, but that would feel wasteful. I was gonna set one up, sell it for $500, and move on with my free fertilizer units.

Is my tractor big enough? My cultivating tractor is an FM 6-30 on a 4010 deere. The tractor doesn't even know it's working. The frame is the same gauge square tubing they use on the 12 row cultivator. I have the castor wheels off an 8 row cultivator if I decide the 6 row cultivator needs help holding up the weight.
Could it be a hassle? Sure, you're probably right that it could be, but I want to see if it's more of a hassle than it's worth. I'll have 17 to 20 acres of corn this year. At 600 pounds litter holding capacity and 150 pounds per acre, I'll have to fill it 5 times per cultivation - 10 times total.
Will it be worth it? Maybe. My feed guy goes in with a pull-type spreader and spreads 350 lbs chicken litter per acre after his last cultivation. He had a test plot for various varieties and the plot average was 144 bu/a on organic corn in the middle of a severe drought here in SW WI. If 350 lb per acre at canopy works, why wouldn't drop spreading 150 lb per acre on both cultivations work better? This is obviously not the only key to his success, but sidedressing is proven to be an effective way to get nutrients to the crop when it's needed. Our forebears surely would not have sidedressed if it didn't work.

Am I out anything if it doesn't work? Unless I break the cultivator frame, nothing but my time. If it turns out to be an ineffective PITA, I'll tear 'em off and throw them in the junk. I surely hope this doesn't happen and I'm investing the time to do it right to increase my chances of success, but I won't cry any bitter tears if it turns out to be unproductive. I'll just move on to the next idea.

But this thread wasn't about the mounting the fertilizer boxes to the cultivator. it was about how to make a 4 row 56 planter into a 2 row 56 planter. I called a good friend of mine after reading the initial responses. He's a very knowledgeable IH fanatic. He assured me that IH did indeed make a 2 row 56 planter and his neighbor has one. It's about a 100 mile trek, but I'll be nearish there next week. I'm gonna take plenty of pics.
This post was edited by rockyridgefarm at 08:06:27 04/04/13 2 times.

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 Re: Is a 2 row 56 planter any different than a 4 row? in reply to rockyridgefarm, 04-04-2013 07:58:07  
I did not know they made a 2 row version. Good to know.

Manure is typically slow-release or converts to useable slowly. I'm surprised there is a response to a later application of it, over applying it pre-plant. Is there any speculation on why it works better applied after the corn is up quite a bit? I could sure learn some more. ;)

Your tractor is plenty of power. It's the floatation. Putting all that weight, if your ground is soft it will really sink in, and a front cultivator you can't lift high enough to get out of the mud.

I'd think cutting down the 56 to a 2 row; or making some 3pt units out of the extra rows would not be too difficult for you. If you get to see a factory model, that will be cool to copy it!

Paul

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