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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

Re: 24T Baler problem

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billinaz

03-02-2013 06:53:26
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donjr, the needles are always partly cycled when this happens, so would this rule out your suggestion?




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donjr

03-02-2013 08:51:53
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 Re: 24T Baler problem in reply to billinaz, 03-02-2013 06:53:26  
You have to look at your tying cycle. IF the needles are tying, returning to home, then bouncing off home, look at your brake. If the needles are ALL the way back, look at your chamber stop. It's there to protect the needles. If the needles are stopping anywhere forward of home, there has to be a reason for it. But the shearing of the safety bolt is usually due to the bale head stop being into the chamber for some reason. If the needles are homed, it has to be an adjustment problem or a lube problem on the safety stop. Big thing is, you do not want the needles anywhere near the chamber on the compression stroke of the head.

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Tx Jim

03-02-2013 09:24:51
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 Re: 24T Baler problem in reply to donjr, 03-02-2013 08:51:53  
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Every properly operating sq baler that I owned or worked on was on the "compression stroke" when the needles were pulled into the bale chamber & knotter.



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Tx Jim

03-02-2013 09:30:58
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 Re: 24T Baler problem in reply to Tx Jim, 03-02-2013 09:24:51  
BillinAZ

If the needles are partially in the bale chamber I strongly suspect the needle brake is at fault. The random flywheel shear bolt problem leans toward faulty needle brake. In all my years repairing/owning JD sq balers I can't remember the trip dog once engaged not pulling needles through their cycle.



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donjr

03-02-2013 12:28:01
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 Re: 24T Baler problem in reply to Tx Jim, 03-02-2013 09:30:58  
JIm, the problem we had was the needle arm was engaging the dog and holding it out of the chamber, but not far enough. The pitman had a couple of angular bends, and a clevis on the needle arm. The pitman had straightened some over the years because of the bends in it, and allowed the dog to protrude just up into the chamber, and the head would catch it at an irregular time and shear the shear bolt. It may have just been wear in the connecting pins, but was a pain in the ask to find. And I may be wrong, but my needles on my 14T come into the chamber during the decomp stroke, tie and are moved out during the start of the compession stroke, so they are not in the chamber at all when the head is the chamber....

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Tx Jim

03-03-2013 04:48:30
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 Re: 24T Baler problem in reply to donjr, 03-02-2013 12:28:01  
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If your 14T operates as you describe it needs to be "timed correctly". Yes the PH stop mechanism can wear/stretch to allow stop to contact PH or arm prematurely. This is common malfunction on newer JD balers such as the 336. The arm(boomerang parts key #12) that needle frame contacts stretches(angle increases) and allows this to happen.

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