Kverneland plow

There is an auction coming up Friday with a 4-16 Kverneland plow. I was interested until my neighbor said that he heard they don't work well in corn trash. He said they plug easily. Can anyone share their experience on this matter?
Sorry, but they didn't list the model. It is a semi mount with side hill hitch. Thanks.
 
I have never used a Kverneland plow, but have been told that the worlds champion plowing contest the people prefer that plow.
 
I've never used one either. I do note the champion plow contests are done on good ground, smooth, with a good sod cut short most of the time - the exact opposite of my rocky, variable, trash-covered corn fields....... What works very well in one may not work at all in the other.....

Did kubota buy them out a year ago, might make parts easier to hp get in the USA?

As tillage got more popular agin around me the past few years, several dealers are stocking Saliford brand big plows.

Paul
 
All ploughs are not the same. Kenerveland makes round frame , square frame variable width. Mounted semie-mounted,on land,ect. They also have many diffrent mole boards,some for sod,stubble or heavy trash. Which plough are you looking at? For heavy trash, I think you want a short but tall mole board. Key thing I find is space in between plough point and beam, so the corn stalks can flow thrght. I take my coulters off to plough corn stalks. Bruce
 
If you're talking about an old round frame model... they plug about as easily as anything else of their generation. IF you're talking about one of their modern design, long frame, long body plows... they'll plow just about anything under provided the wear parts are in good condition.
To say that it's a 4-16 plow doesn't really say much. They've probably got a dozen model and body combinations that would fit that description. Basically... the one you would want is an AB85HD or AD100 with #8 bottoms. These plows are variable width and auto reset. You also need a heavy class 70-100 hp tractor to carry them... but generally speaking, they do not plug.
If you're looking at old plows like the M or MZ... watch out. If it's got 'hydrein' on the serial tag on the headstock, leave it where it sits. Wear parts are either non-existent or very expensive.... unless it's a good solid plow not needing parts. Then mabey you'll get some use from it... but that is a plow that can and will plug in certain conditions if it's not set up right.

It is worth noting that Kverneland is the dominant plow manufacturer in the world today... so the idea that their plows are no good is pure hogwash. Kuhn would be the other major european plow manufacturer... and Salford is somewhat active on this side.
Kverneland was sold to Kubota about a year ago... so I'd expect that parts are or will be fairly available through that system at some point. I can't imagine that they're going to try an maintain a separate dealer network anymore.

Rod
 
Pa-in-Law had one he bought just because it was good in corn stalks. Tallest plow I was ever around! I bet it was 4 feet or better to the top of the frame when it was stored. LOTS of clearance under the beam. He loved it in stalks!
 
I dought if any Kubota dealers will ever start carrying parts for them as for most the Kubota are a sideline for estate type products or a sideline for the major lines and they are not going to risk having trouble with there major line to take on a line that most USA people have never heard of. Would probably drop Kubota first.
 
I've got to ask... what possible risk is there to them to carry Kverneland? There's only three players in the plow market today that I'm aware of... Kverneland being one; Kuhn and Salford being the others. Please don't come and tell me that the world is working with IH and Oliver plows that haven't been used or even made in 45 years. Things have basically gone in two camps. no till and european plows... and around here and most of the northeast they've gone to Euro plows. Although Salford is Canadian... the plow is basically of the same style as the euro models with deep frames and long interbody clearances.

Rod
 
Deere is the most popular with the McCormic and Oliver that became White next. Around here you will not find a dealer that handles your parts.
 
But as I also said... you don't find anyone using a plow either... so your point is absolutely moot.
The plows you're talking about, around here... all got parked in a treeline about a generation ago. The rest are Kverneland.

As far as the original post goes... he asked specifically about a Kverneland plow.
If you want to talk about Deere plows... you'll also find that they've used Kverneland bottoms on some of them for a long time now too. Wear parts for Kverneland are only a call away. If your delaer doesn't have them, the warehouse will. If you're desperate, Molboro does as well. Given that wear parts are generally not an item needed overnight.... and can be ordered on stock orders... I don't see what the big deal is. The fact that they may or may not be on a local dealer's shelf is purely irrelevant.

Rod
 
Jake, I saw one at the NFMS a couple of weeks ago. It looks tall enough to handle stalks. I've attached a couple of pictures.
Thanks,
Art
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The thing is you cannot seem to get it through your head that not all places are like it is where you are and that other places work differently, you just think that because something is avaible in your area it is the same the world over but it is not. Do not assume because something is popular in your area it is popular everyware, that is all I am saying.
 
deere might be popular but by far not the best plow made, I'll take a 588 White anyday. A 548 or 565 Oliver was good in their day also. A 710/720 IH isn't much with their cheating bottoms and I don't know enough about a Kverneland to comment except to wonder if they are top of the line why aren't there more of them around?
 
You're talking about stuff from 55 years ago. Anyone that's doing any serious amount of plowing is NOT using s 55 year old plow. White and IH have been off the market for nearly 30 years. The fact that this is the stuff you're talking about... says to me that you live in a no-till area. No doubt there are still some that use the plows you're talking about, but it's by no means common.
The other fact here.... if you don't see widespread use of Kverneland plows in your area... that says to me that they see no reason to have a dealer presence there because there's simply no market... so all you still see working are old White's and Deere's.

Regardless of any of that... one phone call to a dealer in a selling area and a credit card will have whatever parts you need. You make it sound like the end of the world is coming because you've never seen a red and green plow.

Rod
 
i have a kverneland 6 - 16" on land hitch plow. it will plug but is much better than the older plows. i have two ih 720 plows that are almost impossibe to plug up. they are the only plow made that can go out in a field that was picked with a cornpicker and not plug. Rod your time line is a little off case-iih made the 720 plow after the merger and you still can buy a new 720 plow being made by the artsway company. our ground is very tough plowing and i used to think you needed an oliver to do the best job, but the ih 720 will do just as good without plugging up with corn stalks.
 


All other plows are what you use until you can get a Kverneland.

The old ACE bottom IH still works for me for all the plowing done on this farm now.
 
(quoted from post at 22:54:28 02/28/13) The only thing I would wonder about is parts sure you can get em today but what about ten or 20 years from now?
Arguably, Kverneland builds and sells more plows than anyone else, so I'd speculate parts availibility down the road would be a lot better than some of the others!
JMHO, Dave
 
Leroy,
I am in agreement with what Rod has been telling you! I am not in Nova Scotia, but in the New England area, NH to be exact. Kverneland is far and away the most popular moldboard plow in this area! Most all major dealerships, regardless of color, carry/sell Kverneland as a "short line"! I would even go as far as to saythat no other brand is sold around here! Also being in a corner of the country where "no till" isn't real common, there are a lot of moldboard plows still being used!
Dave
 
Not to start a war or anything but around here nearly everybody that plows runs an old IH, White, Wilrich, or Deere. Most guys have the attitude for most tillage tools you buy parts for and avoid taking the big hit on an initial investment in a new tool. I've been to two colleges in my youth and both would say new tillage tools for anybody carrying any degree of debt is foolish unless there is an absolute proven agronomic benefit to a new tool. Seeing as these schools graduate the people that staff the farm lenders the attitude carries over to the farm banks.
I agree that people do not need to worry about parts for the Kverneland plows. Kubota will for the foreseeable future have more than one dealer contract to best help their dealers. Kubota for dealers in country where the only thing planted are Mc Mansions is not going to insist that dealer make any investment to carry plows or power harrows or disc mowers. Other manufacturers in the past have had flexibility in terms of dealer responsibility for products. Here in NY I recall dealers pointing out they specifically deleted things such as an industrial line or carrying combines because the parts and repair tooling were more than any profit that would be realized.
 
The agronomic benefit is there with these plows for anyone that has to deal with rock. I can understand it being of less value if you don't have to deal with rock. The plow that someone pictured... the AB85 will basically plow continously in just about any kind of ground at 4-5 mph unless you hit a rock the size of a tractor. So there's a considerable productivity gain there over even a manual reset trip bottom.
A lot also depends on just what generation you were from when a plow was bought. Around here tractors did not become common until after the war... so most bought 2 bottom plows to go with those Ford's and Fergusons. These were mostly scotch bottom Ferguson Sherman plows... or some Dearborns. As time wore on... the bigger tractors that landed around here were the 990 and 1200 Brown's and with them came 3 bottom Brown plows with Scotch bottoms and some with midwest style bottoms. When those went to the woods they were almost universally replaced with 4 bottom Kvernelands... and when most people saw how those worked next to a Brown or a Dearborn... lets just say the salesman didn't have to work for his comission. That first generation were mostly Hydrien's and they're mostly gone to the woods now as they were replaced with the AB's (pictured) and #8 bottoms or by BB semi's with the same bottom. The variable width and auto reset was the main reason for replacing the older generation.
IH was never a force in this area as the dealer died sometime around the end of the letter series tractors and Massey basically swallowed the market they had. Deere has never been a contender here until modern times. The first 2 lunger I ever saw was when I went to college and someone was overhauling one in the engineering shop.

Rod
 
The better off farmers before WWII had drawbar type tractors. IH and to a lesser extent Deere dominated the general farm equipment market. Up to the late 1950's a Deere and/ or IH dealer could be found in any sizable town here. Farmers understood that generally better pricing and service went hand in hand with giving these dealers a majority of the farm's business. Specifically, most of these farms used IH or Deere trailer-type plows that worked without modification for the drawbar type tractor.
 
Nobody around here ever saw a scotch bottom in the ground, most would not know what they are.
 
come on now 986, i'm as red as anybody but even i admit that the best pull type plow made was the oliver plowmaster 100.
 
Might not be the best plow made but it was only Deere and IHC for dealers, nothing for White-Oliver so dealers is what made them sell, without dealers they sold nothing in that area.
 

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