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Re: Kverneland plow

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Leroy

02-27-2013 12:06:05
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I dought if any Kubota dealers will ever start carrying parts for them as for most the Kubota are a sideline for estate type products or a sideline for the major lines and they are not going to risk having trouble with there major line to take on a line that most USA people have never heard of. Would probably drop Kubota first.




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Shetland Sheepdog

03-01-2013 18:34:36
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to Leroy, 02-27-2013 12:06:05  
Leroy,

I am in agreement with what Rod has been telling you! I am not in Nova Scotia, but in the New England area, NH to be exact. Kverneland is far and away the most popular moldboard plow in this area! Most all major dealerships, regardless of color, carry/sell Kverneland as a "short line"! I would even go as far as to saythat no other brand is sold around here! Also being in a corner of the country where "no till" isn't real common, there are a lot of moldboard plows still being used!

Dave

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RodInNS

02-27-2013 14:14:55
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to Leroy, 02-27-2013 12:06:05  
I've got to ask... what possible risk is there to them to carry Kverneland? There's only three players in the plow market today that I'm aware of... Kverneland being one; Kuhn and Salford being the others. Please don't come and tell me that the world is working with IH and Oliver plows that haven't been used or even made in 45 years. Things have basically gone in two camps. no till and european plows... and around here and most of the northeast they've gone to Euro plows. Although Salford is Canadian... the plow is basically of the same style as the euro models with deep frames and long interbody clearances.

Rod

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Leroy

02-27-2013 16:58:28
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to RodInNS, 02-27-2013 14:14:55  
Deere is the most popular with the McCormic and Oliver that became White next. Around here you will not find a dealer that handles your parts.



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dboll

02-28-2013 05:51:54
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to Leroy, 02-27-2013 16:58:28  
deere might be popular but by far not the best plow made, I'll take a 588 White anyday. A 548 or 565 Oliver was good in their day also. A 710/720 IH isn't much with their cheating bottoms and I don't know enough about a Kverneland to comment except to wonder if they are top of the line why aren't there more of them around?



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Leroy

03-05-2013 14:26:21
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to dboll, 02-28-2013 05:51:54  
Might not be the best plow made but it was only Deere and IHC for dealers, nothing for White-Oliver so dealers is what made them sell, without dealers they sold nothing in that area.



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RodInNS

02-27-2013 18:14:09
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to Leroy, 02-27-2013 16:58:28  
But as I also said... you don't find anyone using a plow either... so your point is absolutely moot.
The plows you're talking about, around here... all got parked in a treeline about a generation ago. The rest are Kverneland.

As far as the original post goes... he asked specifically about a Kverneland plow. If you want to talk about Deere plows... you'll also find that they've used Kverneland bottoms on some of them for a long time now too. Wear parts for Kverneland are only a call away. If your delaer doesn't have them, the warehouse will. If you're desperate, Molboro does as well. Given that wear parts are generally not an item needed overnight.... and can be ordered on stock orders... I don't see what the big deal is. The fact that they may or may not be on a local dealer's shelf is purely irrelevant.

Rod

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Leroy

02-28-2013 05:34:08
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to RodInNS, 02-27-2013 18:14:09  
The thing is you cannot seem to get it through your head that not all places are like it is where you are and that other places work differently, you just think that because something is avaible in your area it is the same the world over but it is not. Do not assume because something is popular in your area it is popular everyware, that is all I am saying.



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RodInNS

02-28-2013 06:43:32
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to Leroy, 02-28-2013 05:34:08  
You're talking about stuff from 55 years ago. Anyone that's doing any serious amount of plowing is NOT using s 55 year old plow. White and IH have been off the market for nearly 30 years. The fact that this is the stuff you're talking about... says to me that you live in a no-till area. No doubt there are still some that use the plows you're talking about, but it's by no means common.
The other fact here.... if you don't see widespread use of Kverneland plows in your area... that says to me that they see no reason to have a dealer presence there because there's simply no market... so all you still see working are old White's and Deere's.

Regardless of any of that... one phone call to a dealer in a selling area and a credit card will have whatever parts you need. You make it sound like the end of the world is coming because you've never seen a red and green plow.

Rod

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NY 986

03-02-2013 08:28:48
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to RodInNS, 02-28-2013 06:43:32  
Not to start a war or anything but around here nearly everybody that plows runs an old IH, White, Wilrich, or Deere. Most guys have the attitude for most tillage tools you buy parts for and avoid taking the big hit on an initial investment in a new tool. I've been to two colleges in my youth and both would say new tillage tools for anybody carrying any degree of debt is foolish unless there is an absolute proven agronomic benefit to a new tool. Seeing as these schools graduate the people that staff the farm lenders the attitude carries over to the farm banks. I agree that people do not need to worry about parts for the Kverneland plows. Kubota will for the foreseeable future have more than one dealer contract to best help their dealers. Kubota for dealers in country where the only thing planted are Mc Mansions is not going to insist that dealer make any investment to carry plows or power harrows or disc mowers. Other manufacturers in the past have had flexibility in terms of dealer responsibility for products. Here in NY I recall dealers pointing out they specifically deleted things such as an industrial line or carrying combines because the parts and repair tooling were more than any profit that would be realized.

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RodInNS

03-02-2013 10:05:37
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to NY 986, 03-02-2013 08:28:48  
The agronomic benefit is there with these plows for anyone that has to deal with rock. I can understand it being of less value if you don't have to deal with rock. The plow that someone pictured... the AB85 will basically plow continously in just about any kind of ground at 4-5 mph unless you hit a rock the size of a tractor. So there's a considerable productivity gain there over even a manual reset trip bottom.
A lot also depends on just what generation you were from when a plow was bought. Around here tractors did not become common until after the war... so most bought 2 bottom plows to go with those Ford's and Fergusons. These were mostly scotch bottom Ferguson Sherman plows... or some Dearborns. As time wore on... the bigger tractors that landed around here were the 990 and 1200 Brown's and with them came 3 bottom Brown plows with Scotch bottoms and some with midwest style bottoms. When those went to the woods they were almost universally replaced with 4 bottom Kvernelands... and when most people saw how those worked next to a Brown or a Dearborn... lets just say the salesman didn't have to work for his comission. That first generation were mostly Hydrien's and they're mostly gone to the woods now as they were replaced with the AB's (pictured) and #8 bottoms or by BB semi's with the same bottom. The variable width and auto reset was the main reason for replacing the older generation.
IH was never a force in this area as the dealer died sometime around the end of the letter series tractors and Massey basically swallowed the market they had. Deere has never been a contender here until modern times. The first 2 lunger I ever saw was when I went to college and someone was overhauling one in the engineering shop.

Rod

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Leroy

03-02-2013 18:21:55
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to RodInNS, 03-02-2013 10:05:37  
Nobody around here ever saw a scotch bottom in the ground, most would not know what they are.



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RodInNS

03-02-2013 18:45:47
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to Leroy, 03-02-2013 18:21:55  
I'm guessing you don't have sod... or not heavy sod.

Rod



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NY 986

03-02-2013 11:43:18
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 Re: Kverneland plow in reply to RodInNS, 03-02-2013 10:05:37  
The better off farmers before WWII had drawbar type tractors. IH and to a lesser extent Deere dominated the general farm equipment market. Up to the late 1950's a Deere and/ or IH dealer could be found in any sizable town here. Farmers understood that generally better pricing and service went hand in hand with giving these dealers a majority of the farm's business. Specifically, most of these farms used IH or Deere trailer-type plows that worked without modification for the drawbar type tractor.

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