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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

Belt thrower vs pan thrower

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Shale

02-10-2013 17:38:34
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Ayone have preferences on using a belt type bale thrower versus hydraulic pan bale throwers? I may pick up a square baler this spring and am curious if one type of thrower is better than the other.




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Shetland Sheepdog

02-12-2013 18:35:50
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
I ran a NH 315 with a pan kicker for years, and traded for a NH 570 with belt thrower. Neither one would be a deal breaker for me! That said, I have found that I can control bale placement easier with the belt thrower.

I have never had a problem with melting the plastic twine, I guess I must live right!

One thing I learned the hard way is to not tighten the belts too much, as it will tear the lacing out of them in short order!

HTH, Dave

Oh yeah, when a pan kicker throws a bale, you feel it all the way to the tractor! With a belt thrower, not so much!

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Kevin B from Illinois

02-12-2013 12:55:15
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
Belts for me can place bale better through better to big wagons I have a 30' wagon neighbor use it could not fill it with jd not mention they do not make a nice square bale like a caseIH or NH, and those pans are very dangerous can go off any time have seen that also.



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Dieselmatic

02-11-2013 10:04:37
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
NH 575 with hyd thrower here. There's no green pan kicker that comes close or ever will.



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cd1

02-11-2013 11:02:52
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Dieselmatic, 02-11-2013 10:04:37  
new holland made pan kickers too you know.



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Dieselmatic

02-11-2013 17:11:02
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to cd1, 02-11-2013 11:02:52  
I know and I wouldn't own one either.



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RickB

02-11-2013 14:14:10
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to cd1, 02-11-2013 11:02:52  
"new holland made pan kickers too you know"

They quit for 3 reasons:
1. product liability.
2. The pan kicker is too slow for a 575 baler running at capacity.
3. Low demand relative to production costs/licensing fees paid to Deere.



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cd1

02-11-2013 10:01:03
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
They both have their problems and merits. I run a belt thrower myself, I've run comparable kickers though and in real hill country they are sweet as when your going across a hill you can still kick a bale straight up in the air, where a thrower will have to be aimed up hill giving the bale a crooked trajectory and or hitting the side of the wagon early. For what I do the thrower is fine but I wouldn't turn down a baler if it had a kicker either, it's still better than by hand.

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JMS/.MN

02-11-2013 07:25:12
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
You don't want to accidentally trip a pan thrower and get hit by it. I had a NH belt thrower for decades. Replaced the belts once. Maintenance is not any more of an issue than with any other machine. Twine can burn off, especially while making a corner and no new hay coming into the chamber for a while.

Either type, unloading from the front of the wagon is easiest. My wagons had side doors, forward of the middle. I prefer that cuz it's a long walk on an 18 foot rack when you carry all of them to the front.

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tomstractorsandtoys1

02-11-2013 12:40:00
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to JMS/.MN, 02-11-2013 07:25:12  
Do you want to walk behind your belt thrower when a bale comes out? As long as the flywheel on the baler is not turning a pan thrower will not trip,follow that rule and you will never have a safty problem.



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Ken Macfarlane

02-12-2013 06:48:49
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to tomstractorsandtoys1, 02-11-2013 12:40:00  
The pan type thrower has some stored hydraulic pressure in an accumulator does it not? I'm fairly sure you have to lock it out or trip it to work anywhere near it.

Sold mine a few years back. There's still a roller thrower sitting in the shed but I don't like those either. I dislike unloading any type of thrower wagons vs properly stacked.



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tomstractorsandtoys1

02-12-2013 09:55:29
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 02-12-2013 06:48:49  
I would like to know for sure about that.Dad traded his NH for a Deere many years ago and I do not think that a Deere has any stored hyd pressure once the pump stops turning. I maybe wrong and would like to know for sure if I am.I have learned alot from this site.If I am wrong then I need to be more careful around the thrower on my Deere baler. Thanks Tom



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JMS/.MN

02-12-2013 09:38:32
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 02-12-2013 06:48:49  
Yes, they can trip with everything shut off.



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long green line man

02-12-2013 12:57:24
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to JMS/.MN, 02-12-2013 09:38:32  
JMS: You are wrong! There is on way a open center pump; with no accumulator in hyd. system ; would have oil pressure to move pan with baler shut of... There is a latch that has to open first , before pan can be moved by hand, with baler shut of...
I wonder if there is a little jealousy showing, Or ar. salesman brainwashing...



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Dieselmatic

02-12-2013 16:24:25
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to long green line man, 02-12-2013 12:57:24  
Had a 24T with an engine driven NH thrower on it, sort of made a decent baler out of it.



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RickB

02-11-2013 02:37:30
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
Belt style for me. Less maintenence, less expensive maintenence, safer. Both will load a wagon when working properly. Most functionality complaints about either style can be corrected by following recommended thrower adjustment/bale length recommendations.
New Holland has obsoleted many pan style thrower parts, but some of Deere's pieces will bolt right up.



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tomstractorsandtoys1

02-10-2013 21:25:03
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
I have used both a prefer the pan thrower.You will get a much squarer bale and you can get more bales on a wagon.In light hay crops the belts pull alot of stuff out of the bales and they bend them in the middle.The pan seems to handle them more gently and a belt baler jams them in the wagon making them harder to unload.But there were alot of belt balers sold so they are not all bad either it is mainly what you get used to.If you have a big baler and push it hard the belt thrower will work a little better than the pan because sometimes the next bale is sticking out the bale case before the pan has reset from throwing the last one.It takes a big windrow and running fast for this to be a problem.

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showcrop

02-10-2013 18:53:39
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
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I have a belt thrower that has done well for me for about ten years. I have replaced about half of the eight bearings. They are not easy. I helped a friend one day with his pan type. He was having big trip problems. The fix was cleaning the hydraulics. Needs to be done every few years. The belts will melt plastic twine if the bale is in just the right spot for too long.



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02-10-2013 18:53:39
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 Re: Belt thrower vs pan thrower in reply to Shale, 02-10-2013 17:38:34  
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I have a belt thrower that has done well for me for about ten years. I have replaced about half of the eight bearings. They are not easy. I helped a friend one day with his pan type. He was having big trip problems. The fix was cleaning the hydraulics. Needs to be done every few years. The belts will melt plastic twine if the bale is in just the right spot for too long.



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