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JD-327 Square baler.

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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 14:46:16
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Would someone tell me how to get the manual swing bar to move on a JD-327 Square baler.




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Tx Jim

01-07-2013 12:42:42
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to tbish, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
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Thanks for all the replies, finally got the main pivot bolt loose with a 4ft cheater bar and loosened the support brackets. got it moving but it will only move about 3 inches. Gonna try to apply tractor power.[/quote]

Sound as if you haven't checked the telescoping driveshaft to see that it's seized. 3" movement of tongue isn't very much.

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rrr_ranch

01-07-2013 13:42:16
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 01-07-2013 12:42:42  
You hit the nail on the head. It has to be siezed in the rear 7-9,I have the front shield off and the rear shield (steel) won't slide out enough to expose the joint and so far have had no success removing the u-joint. The shaft won't pull forward or to the rear. Thinking of trying to yank it free from the front with a chain behind the u-joint.



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Tx Jim

01-08-2013 03:34:41
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 01-07-2013 13:42:16  
On my 347 baler if the plastic shield retainer clips are removed the rear "shorter" shield will slide forward exposing the stuck shafts then you could apply the torch heat.



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rrr_ranch

01-08-2013 19:08:27
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 01-08-2013 03:34:41  
On this 327 it will only move enough to expose the u-joint. It's a metal tube, if it was plastic I would slit it and remove. How hard is it to remove the shaft at clutch? At this stage I may have to pull the bolt on draw bar, seperate at the clutch and take the entire assy to town. A straight pull with comealong wouldn't budge it.



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Tx Jim

01-09-2013 03:44:18
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 01-08-2013 19:08:27  
Have you tried forcing the short metal shield forward?? I just went through freeing up the same type shaft on a 347 baler and the shield in question slid forward. The slip/overrunning clutch assembly is easy to remove(drive out 1 roll pin) except the shaft in question has to slide on the solid hex shaft for easy removal. Clutch removal can be accomplished by removing tongue attaching bolt and sliding tongue,pto & clutch forward.If this was my baler I'd just cut the metal shield off with a cutting torch and proceed to heat the 2 shafts. I'll bet a JD dealer service dept will charge you $250-$300+ to fee the shafts.

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rrr_ranch

01-10-2013 03:18:24
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 01-09-2013 03:44:18  
I agree with you 100%. Since the baler is for sale I put it back togeather again and will wait and see what potential buyer has to say. To a local it may not make any difference and if they say it has to be fixed I'll cut the shield off and use a torch. Thank's again for all your help and advice. Regards
rrr_ranch



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Tx Jim

01-10-2013 04:38:17
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 01-10-2013 03:18:24  
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rrr_ranch

I would think that the pto shaft will need to be freed up if you sell the baler so the baler can be transported either by towing or hauling.



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rrr_ranch

01-11-2013 02:39:01
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 01-10-2013 04:38:17  
Hi:

The front shaft is free and loose and you can push it all the way in so when it rests in the round hook holder it is even with the front of baler tongue. Granted it will be awkward to tow or load and I may have to fix before sale. So far, I have had little response to my ads. January may not be best time to sell the thing.

Thanks



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rrr_ranch

01-08-2013 11:00:49
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 01-08-2013 03:34:41  
TXJim:
I'm sure your right on the shaft being stuck at the baler end #7 to #9. Going by your diagram, I have removed 3 #1 bolts and nuts and retaining clips #13. The metal shield #8 will only go forward far enough to access grease port and the entire shaft will not move forward in direction of tractor pto. I tried pulling the entire shaft out with a comealong but no luck. Can you think of any way to get the entire shaft out so I can take it to town and have a dealer seperate the shaft? Any more help would be appreciated.

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RodInNS

12-17-2012 08:31:11
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
Put a block behind the right baler wheel, remove the lock pin and drag the tractor around on the right brake so you jamb the pole over into transport. Shouldn't be anything to really restrict it other than the weight sitting on the pole...

Rod



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Tx Jim

12-17-2012 09:50:09
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to RodInNS, 12-17-2012 08:31:11  
I've seen those telescoping shafts seize up. Before tearing up something remove the shield and check the shafts.



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RayP(MI)

12-16-2012 19:06:36
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
On my NH 268, I release the latch, put a good sized wedge, chunk of firewood, etc, behind the right baler wheel, and gently back up the tractor. Can get quite a bit of torque to move tongue that way.



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 19:27:32
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to RayP(MI), 12-16-2012 19:06:36  
Thank you, I considered that but more worried about the tractor than the baler. Think I'll just keep spraying with wd40 or blaster and try again this spring.



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showcrop

12-16-2012 18:26:06
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
I used to have a 336 and IIRC, the crossmember under it could get bent up from hitting a rock or something so that it kind of pinches off so that the pole cannot slide.



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 18:50:26
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to showcrop, 12-16-2012 18:26:06  
Thank you, it's either bent or rusted from what I can see. Our fields do have a few low spots.



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55deere70

12-16-2012 17:02:25
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
I'd like to help you, but I'm afraid there's no hope for you...If you can't figure out how to swing the tongue on a baler, then how in God's name are you ever going to figure out how to run the baler itself??



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 17:25:21
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to 55deere70, 12-16-2012 17:02:25  
Well sir: I can run the baler and put out a pretty nice bale. The bar has never been moved out of field position in 20 some odd years, and removing the pin dosn't work. So I just was asking in case there's some little thing I'm missing. Thank you



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Tx Jim

12-17-2012 04:43:55
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 17:25:21  

rrr_ranch said: (quoted from post at 21:25:21 12/16/12) The bar has never been moved out of field position in 20 some odd years, and removing the pin dosn't work. Thank you


Since it hasn't been changed out of field position in around 20 yrs I'll bet the telescoping shaft is rusty and you'll have to heat it with a torch & lubricate it so it can slide. Parts key #7 is stuck inside parts key #9. You cam remove parts keys #13 and slide the shield(parts key #8 or 19) forward for am inspection. If this isn't the problem then I'd suggest looking at the rear pivot area of the tongue.

This post was edited by Tx Jim at 04:53:09 12/17/12 3 times.

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JMS/.MN

12-16-2012 16:23:33
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
Do you mean the front hitch? Adjusting between road travel and field use?



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 16:46:10
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to JMS/.MN, 12-16-2012 16:23:33  
Yes sir that's the one. It seems to be locked in the field position and I can't budge it but it's loose if you shake it. Just won't swing straight ahead. Thanks for the reply



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Cliff Nelson

12-17-2012 05:38:21
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 16:46:10  
If it's loose but won't swing it could be the pto shaft as Jim said. Try removing the front pto support from the tongue and try to swing it then. Our 346 has worn the pto shaft slide so it catches if stopped with pressure on the driveline. Acts te same way when trying to cross over to transport position.



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JMS/.MN

12-16-2012 17:48:11
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 16:46:10  
I"d jack up the front of the baler frame, unhook from the tractor, and try to move it. That long in position? Maybe pivot is rusted solid.



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 17:56:56
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to JMS/.MN, 12-16-2012 17:48:11  
I have tried that and I'm afraid your right. Years back I saw my brother try to back up the tractor and swing it but that didn't work either.

Thanks again



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JMS/.MN

12-16-2012 21:54:39
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 17:56:56  
I have a few nasty ideas about anchoring the baler with a couple of tractors and whacking it with something bigger....after checking for bent, binding parts, like another poster suggested....but maybe the best is to clean out all hay, hit the pivot with an oxy torch, with a rosebud tip..........maybe stick some candlewax on it as it cools, and try moving it. Wax melts between stuck parts, threads, etc....and loosens things. WD40 used to be good, new formulation is xxxx pizz.

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Tx Jim

12-16-2012 15:07:48
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to rrr_ranch, 12-16-2012 14:46:16  
What are you calling a "manual swing bar"?? I've seen that listed in any JD 327 baler manuals nor do I have a clue what you're referring to.



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 16:50:31
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 12-16-2012 15:07:48  
The main tow bar which swings left or right for field (offset) or towing straight ahead.
Thanks



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rrr_ranch

12-16-2012 16:49:02
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 Re: JD-327 Square baler. in reply to Tx Jim, 12-16-2012 15:07:48  
The main tow bar which swings left or right for field (offset) or towing straight ahead.
Thanks



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