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Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-23-2012 21:24:00 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	I haven't had too much time to research plows, until now. Figured my favorite tractor site would be a good start. So far, I know I need a 3-14 or 3-16 trailer plow with lots of clearence to keep from plugging. A green plow would even be ok, provided the price is reasonable/affordable. I am on a budget. What are my choices? I know the IH model 70 plow is a good start, with 27" of clearence from main beam to bottom of the share & 24" beam to beam. My biggest tractor is a Farmall 400 with no Torque Amplifier, 3pt or Fast Hitch. The TA should be done by spring. I might be able to afford the 3pt before then. Not having a one certainly has been a slight disadvantage when plow shopping. If I left out any info, let me know. Thanks, Mike [Reply]   [No Email]
560farm 08-26-2012 21:48:36 98.159.8.5 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   Either the IH 70, Case A series or GR/GT or in JD the 670/690 model in pull types.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Iowa Jim 08-26-2012 18:08:03 63.131.94.163 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   IH 720   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 19:39:10 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Iowa Jim, 08-26-2012 18:08:03   Isn't that a bit big for a Farmall 400? Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
NEKS 08-26-2012 11:53:25 71.0.217.69 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   Plowed a lot of cornstubble with a pull type 3-14 case plow that was new in the late 40's. with F-20 and later a M Farmall. No problems as I recall.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 19:30:26 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to NEKS, 08-26-2012 11:53:25   I don't suppose you remember what model? I had a Case Centennial plow for a while & thought it had a bit more clearance than the Oliver Plowmaster I picked up. Might be worth looking into another one then. Thanks, Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 08-26-2012 07:56:43 67.142.163.26 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Tom Bond, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   All a disk harrow really accomplishes is creating a hard pan. BTW a moldboard set correctly with soil moisture will plow if set correctly if the points aren't worn out.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 08-26-2012 07:42:30 67.142.175.25 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   Down here the plow of choice isn't really a plow.....a disc harrow. Plow up everything with them. Soil is mostly clay so moldboards don't work. Mark   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 19:22:08 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Texasmark1, 08-26-2012 07:42:30   There's a few patches of clay around here, just enough to remind you if your plow is too big. I had debated disking this fall & plowing in the spring. It might work if we get enough snow pack. Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
GordoSD 08-25-2012 12:01:54 64.33.250.162 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   I don't know that I would be doing a lot of molsboard plowing with this drought. Better to spend your money an a better, no til planter.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 19:14:16 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to GordoSD, 08-25-2012 12:01:54   I was wondering about plowing stubble with dry ground. The farm paper was suggesting that plowing & tillage in the corn field be done in the spring when conditions are wetter. That sounds like a matted down mess waiting to happen. Might need a no-till planter to break through the it. Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
4020deereboy 08-24-2012 19:49:31 205.185.95.11 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   My ih 550 semi mount plow will turn under full straw windrows out of a 18 foot combine on irrigated barley and burry them completely and not plug . I don't know how small they made them but I would definitely get a semi mount or drawn not a fully integral plow unless your ground is dead flat .   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-24-2012 20:29:46 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to 4020deereboy, 08-24-2012 19:49:31   Yep, sounds like I'll have to pass on the fully mounted plow. Forgot about the lack of draft control. I was looking at a 535 with 3-16's & thought it would make a great plow, just didn't know if the 400 could handle the weight if I got a Fast Hitch for it. Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
BushogPapa 08-25-2012 17:49:15 173.88.51.117 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-24-2012 20:29:46   You can use a fully mounted plow and not have "draft Control", if you just put a Depth (Gauge) wheel on it to control plowing Depth.. 3-Point plows don't take up as much space when stored inside.. Ron..   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 18:59:37 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to BushogPapa, 08-25-2012 17:49:15   Noted, thanks. Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
jon f mn 08-24-2012 05:41:59 70.198.7.56 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   The latest model case plows with hyd lift are excelent plows as well. I've pulled case, jd, and oliver and the case worked best. The neighbor had an IH and it worked good too.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-24-2012 20:21:12 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to jon f mn, 08-24-2012 05:41:59   Is there a specific model or series of Case plow I should look for? Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
jon f mn 08-25-2012 09:13:46 70.198.4.11 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-24-2012 20:21:12   Any case trailer type or semi mount that has the box type main frame is good. The earlier case with the solid beam main beam have a little less clearance and don't work as good. I would stick to 16" bottoms which ever brand you choose because they have more clearance   [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 08-24-2012 07:20:11 67.6.225.104 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to jon f mn, 08-24-2012 05:41:59   I had a Case 200C two way for several years.Good plow.Thing is EVERYTHING for the left side was obsolete/NOA-even the aftermarket stuff.I had to "make" my own plow shares.There were some troubles with the rollover mechanisim.Otherwise it had light draft,did a nice job in cornstalks.If it had better parts support,I would probably own another one.   [Reply]  [No Email]
jon f mn 08-24-2012 15:34:44 70.198.5.123 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to DeltaRed, 08-24-2012 07:20:11   I would hate to try to find parts for any brand of old roll over plow. lol. As for any hyd lift case all the wear parts are available at most fleet stores, aftermarket dealers and at all case dealers.   [Reply]  [No Email]
DeltaRed 08-23-2012 22:20:24 67.6.225.104 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-23-2012 21:24:00   An IH plow with Super Chief bottoms is about as good as it gets.With the tractor you have,you DO NOT want a 3 point plow.A pull type 3x16 is about perfect.Not haveing draft control kinda negates a 3 point plow.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-24-2012 20:18:39 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to DeltaRed, 08-23-2012 22:20:24   I forgot about the draft control. Can't say as I need a three bottom anchor. Might have to get a FH, instead. Found plenty of IH plows with Super Cheif bottoms. They're all on Little Genius frames. >:v( Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
BushogPapa 08-25-2012 17:53:06 173.88.51.117 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-24-2012 20:18:39   14" bottoms should not be all that much problem in Corn..we never had any complaints with ours... I would have thought an IH 400 would handle 4x14"..??? That would make 3x16" an easy pick..almost as big and more clearance.. Ron..   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 18:54:50 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to BushogPapa, 08-25-2012 17:53:06   The 400 is designed to handle 4-14". The land around here is stoney with a few shallow spots of clay. Some of the locals here & a few forum members (from a previous post) suggested that I stick to a 3-14" or 3-16" in such conditions. Been thinking about trying out my 2-14" Oliver trailer plow in the corn patch here to see what it does. Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
BushogPapa 08-26-2012 19:19:45 173.88.51.117 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-26-2012 18:54:50   You can use a 2-14" plow..but it won't be any load for such a tractor...you will be hard-pressed to not plow entirely too fast...!! About 2 1/2 MPH was the maximum design speed.. Ron..   [Reply]  [No Email]
Crazy Red Power in SE-WI 08-26-2012 20:11:36 68.114.237.14 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to BushogPapa, 08-26-2012 19:19:45   Agreed! I wanted to warm up the 400 a couple of years ago to see if the new heat indicator worked. I hooked onto the 2-14" plow & had a half acre done by the time the needle left it's post. Couldn't hardly hear it in the exhaust, either. A little piece of me still seems to think the 400 could handle a 4-14" Little Genius. A little over $900 seems awful wasteful for something that may be too big or not do the job properly, though. Mike   [Reply]  [No Email]
BushogPapa 08-27-2012 11:41:56 173.88.51.117 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Crazy Red Power in SE-WI, 08-26-2012 20:11:36   Agreed..!!! If you could hook onto a similar plow, you would know.. While I would not want to spend all day pulling it, I have pulled a 4x16" JD F-145 Semi-Mounted with mt JD 630 and it a Maximum load in 2nd gear.. 4x14 or 3-16 It will be a nice, manageable load in any conditions... I would think an IH 400 would be about the same, maybe even higher in HP.. I have about 48 HP Max, good tires (15.5x38") and about 7,000lb..including about 250 on the front... Remember, the Allis Chalmers WD (30HP??) came from the factory with a 3-14".. Cover-Boards are always a good addition to any plow.. Many will put a piece of #9 Wire on the Coulter mount and let it drag in the turning soil, to help direct the cover trash thru the plow.. Seems it was about 4 or 5 foot long.. If your engine will not warm up to operating temp, the Thermostat probably needs replaced.. Should be up to around 170 in less than 15 minutes of idling.. Enjoy...!!   [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 08-28-2012 05:03:43 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to BushogPapa, 08-27-2012 11:41:56   Bushog, the AC WD might have come with a 3-14 in some places but in our ground is a 2-12 or 2-10 tractor. 3-14's here requires a good 65 hp or more, filled tires, and some time spent getting the plow set right. And that's on stubble ground. Sod requires more care and HP. The ground makes all the difference.   [Reply]  [No Email]
BushogPapa 08-28-2012 18:07:26 173.88.51.117 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Bret4207, 08-28-2012 05:03:43   Very much aware of that when it comes to "conditions"..didn't just fall off'n the Turnip wagon... "Here" (Central Ohio), we have about every condition you will ever encounter.. Yes, when Black-Jack is dry in late summer, you will not (and might as well not try) to turn it..it will not work down, if you do.. Yellow Wax will make a believer out of a fellow too..when dry, it is like Baked Brick..damp and it is like stiff GLUE...add Alfalfa turn-down into that and it gives ya practice Steering with the Brakes..!!! Never had to drop a bottom off my WD-45 if conditions were anywhere near right.. Dad and I always pull 4x14" Semi-Mounts..that is 8x14" with roughly 85 Horse..always in 2nd gear... Yes..ALL wheels are Loaded and a short RR Rail across the front on each one.. I maybe could "see" a WD going into 1st gear with 3x14" in real tough going maybe.. There IS a huge difference in the preparation of the Equipment, so maybe that is why you have seen these pull so little..?? Ron..   [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 08-29-2012 05:12:53 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to BushogPapa, 08-28-2012 18:07:26   It's just the land. I've never seen any WD or WD45 pull more than a 2 bottom up here, it's the clay. Spring, summer or fall, makes no difference. And it's no mark against AC, it's the same with a ll other makes. I'm dropping a bottom off a JD plow 3-12 today. My DB990 will just barely handle that in stubble maybe 4" deep. The guy I got it from used it on a 930 Case. The DB will handle a 2-12 Case in most of the ground but it will also come to a dead stop in some. FWIW, Kvernland plows are real popular here because of moldboard shape. I've seen several 40-50 hp tractors brought to a stop pulling a 2-10 trailer plow! That's in fall with moisture int he ground. It's HEAVY.   [Reply]  [No Email]
BushogPapa 08-29-2012 21:09:51 173.88.51.117 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Bret4207, 08-29-2012 05:12:53   Could be..Must be some real unusual soil... Would take a lot of fuel to turn many acres.. Is it as hard...proportionately, to pull a Field Cultivator or Chisel Plow..? Before I would use 2x12"'s, I think I would go for a 1x16 (for clearance, etc).. Ron..   [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 08-30-2012 05:19:40 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to BushogPapa, 08-29-2012 21:09:51   I don't have a chisel or FC, I mostly turn sod ground every fall and last years grain ground. I'd like to find a decent FC sized for my equipment, but between rust, scrap prices, etc, there aren't many. Newer stuff is too pricy. Same for finding a 1-16 or larger, they don't exist anymore. I called on the one 1-20" I've seen and it was a Ford that was so worn that it wasn't worth the $150.00 he was asking. What I'd really like is the 2-14 Kvernlands I saw at auction, but I can't justify that kind of money. Now, go 15-20 miles south and 100 feet higher and it's sandy ground. Whole different ball game there and you're back to WD's and Ford 800's pulling 3 bottoms.. It all depends on the ground.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Leroy 08-31-2012 06:15:40 69.88.205.38 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Bret4207, 08-30-2012 05:19:40   What size FC would you like to have? And where are you?   [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 08-31-2012 16:59:51 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: What's a good plow for corn stubble? in reply to Leroy, 08-31-2012 06:15:40   I would think, based on what little I know about FC that something in the 8-10 foot range might work. I'm limited to 55ish HP and am in very tight, heavy clay. People here and elsewhere say a FC works better on clay in stubble ground than a disc harrow. The closest I have is a set of heavy spring tooth harrows and they make me think the thought is on the right track. My neighbor uses a Glencoe soil saver, IIRC, and likes it, but he has stuff up in the 150 hp range. Actually, if I could find one, a tool bar with stiff shank tools might work. Sort of a mini chisel plow type of thing capable of going down a foot or so. I'm in extreme northern NY near the St Lawrence river.   [Reply]  [No Email]