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Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics

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Billy NY

08-18-2012 17:42:53
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I am not sure if it can be noticed from the photos and not having a reference point, an eye for it if you will, do the shins look worn or are they fine to run as is, only looks close by the bottom of the shine where it meets the share, projects beyond above, new share will project too, so I guess, maybe this part of the shin is not a high wear area ?




Also what about the landsides, what are the wear areas on those, the face against the furrow wall or the bottom, I've included both bottoms landsides, wanted to see if anyone cares to comment on how they look, I literally have no idea, they look thin where they meet the frog, and the front or point of the frog has what looks to be a non removable wear strip like the landside, just not bolts, seems joined to the frog. I was wondering if that was part of the frog, is it subject to wear, do you build it back up say with 7018, topped with hardface, replace the frog or its not an issue, as the landside/share take most of the brunt of the wear. Kind of hard to tell looking at it.




Lastly it appears to have had Adams 4 hole rock shares, I still am not sure what size this plow actually is, from outside of beam to outside of beam is almost 14", center to center of beams was closer to 12", maybe the part numbers on the shares, someone here may know, also kind of trying to source these in rock shares again I see Wiese Industries have them only need 2, anyone else sell these in pairs ? I don't think with the few acres a year might take a few years or more before I'd wear em out. Shoup has one listed but I am not sure if its a rock share.



Plan on rebuilding this 101 as much as I can, really like this style plow, any comments are much appreciated ;) !

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grandpajohn

08-19-2012 21:49:34
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-18-2012 17:42:53  

The link to shoup that you added is for a share that does not match the measurements of the om-14-4 share from adams. Here is the measurements from the adams part book for the om share. If you have the om share that is an oliver/white share that was used on later ford plows. I think I might have every thing you need. If you can verify the whole measurements on the file I attached we will know for sure.

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Billy NY

08-20-2012 20:25:20
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to grandpajohn, 08-19-2012 21:49:34  
There is definitely a bust in dimensions here, when I removed the shares, the front hole did not have a bolt, as it does not line up. It appears with the Adams share I took off, the front hole (closest to point) is not low enough, I tried to carefully measure, digital caliper and painted through the hole, to highlight how much off the share was to the frog, and given the 15/16" dimension, and adding 7/16", that seems to confirm that the Adams share I took off does not line up with the front hole, and that the 1 3/8" shown by Wiese, and Shoup is the right vertical dimension, its tough to accurately measure, seemed off a little less like 1/4", but when I painted through the hole, showed more like 7/16" so my vote is 1 3/8".

The 1" vertical dimension from the top to center of hole as per the Shoup listed share, and Wiese Industries shares listed, (they have a .pdf file you can open up and it has dimensions - link attached) seems to check out for the other 3 holes though one of the holes seemed a little tight on this, would think it to be the same, and just hard to hold a ruler to it accurately.

The top overall share horizontal dimension of 16 3/8" seems the same as what I have, but while looking at the Wiese plow share dimension page, it does not show this dimension, and there is no way to calculate it out from what they give, they show F 14-4 and F 16-4 plow shares with the same bolt pattern, just the F 16-4 is drawn on the page to be longer than the F 14-4.

I would assume the longest share would be for a 16" (center of beam to center of beam) plow, as they show 12, 14, 16 in the share part number, I assume that to be plow size, this Ford 101 2 bottom plow measures about 14" from outside of beam to outside of beam where they are parallel.

I checked the horizontal spacing center of hole to center of hole across the share, from the share point back and it shows that the first and and 2nd holes of the Wiese/Shoup shares 1 3/4" center to center, same as the Adams share, do the math for the 2nd to 3rd hole on using Wiese/Shoup dimensions center to center and it subtracts to 5 5/8" but the Adams share measures 5 1/2" center to center so there is 1/8" off on the 3rd hole. Measure the center of the 3rd hole to the 4th hole and its 5", do the math and subtract 8 3/4" from 13 1/8" (Wiese/Shoup) and its 4 3/8", the adams share measures 5" so there is 5/8" off + the 1/8" off on the previous dimension = 3/4" off and thats the difference between the adams and wiese/shoup shares, the 2nd and 3rd holes won't line up it seems, and the 8" and 8 3/4" is the conflict between the Wiese/Shoup shares and the Adams, that is if I see this right. So I am assuming neither of the Wiese or Shoup shares I showed previously would fit due to the above, yet the Adams share matches 2 holes on the frog and the last hole to the strap from the molboard, maybe the Adams is 3-4 hole compatible this way and you omit the first hole, would seem to be correct all 4 would line up.

Here are photos of the slides and the shins, the parts numbers are hard to read, so I wrote what it looks like in soapstone as well.

Rear Landslide - Part Number - seems to show, but there is a mark to the left that could be part of an 8, 9, 0 having a rounded on top matching the mark, maybe its nothing too, not enough left if there is.


Front Landslide

Wiese Shin with part number, I typed in this part number on the Wiese web page, does not come up

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grandpajohn

08-20-2012 21:11:55
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-20-2012 20:25:20  

Here is the measurments for the ford 16" 4 bolt share. I am sure it will match what you have. I have this share in a 4 bolt and a 3 bolt the difference is the dropped hole is not present on the 3 bolt. The long landside(rear) is 203033 and the short(front) is 107980. The shin is correct. I have the shares, shins, and the front landsides. I do not have the rear land side. As far as I can see the rear landside is still available from weise #981w.

gramps

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grandpajohn

08-21-2012 19:35:43
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to grandpajohn, 08-20-2012 21:11:55  

Here is pic of the parts. the landsise with the curve will not fit your plow but the other parts will. i have several of the shares.



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Billy NY

08-21-2012 07:29:58
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to grandpajohn, 08-20-2012 21:11:55  
Thanks for posting that, for some reason I got hung up on that 3rd-4th hole dimension, tired long day, should not be crunching numbers LOL, well fresh look this morning, the strap that is the 4th hole can be tapped over, maintains the 1" vertical, and changes from 5" to 4 3/8" center to center 3rd & 4th hole which is what this share FF16-4 shows by dimensions. The dropped hole (1st hole) should work and the 1/8" horizontal discrepancy between 2nd & 3rd hole, 5 1/2"- 5 5/8" I would think there is enough wiggle room when bolting up. I checked your drawing vs Weise, minor dimension differences, has to be the same part, must be whomever reads the ruler I suppose. I believe this 4 bolt share in a rock share, not throw away, is what I am looking for and is correct for the frog on this plow, the Adams share was made to fit by skipping the front hole, and moving the strap off the mold board to center up.

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grandpajohn

08-18-2012 23:49:14
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-18-2012 17:42:53  
I should have the shares and other parts. Send me an email with what parts you are wanting. I will look tomorrow to make sure I have it all. I show I have 6 shares on hand. Can you look at the inside of the landside to see if you can see a number there.

gramps



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larryh

08-18-2012 18:20:07
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-18-2012 17:42:53  
we are a wiese dealer and it looks like the shins slides and points need replacing or you are going to be wearing the frog out --call 270-528-2133 days ask for larry for prices we sell at discounts even to shoup



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casecollectorsc

08-18-2012 18:18:32
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-18-2012 17:42:53  
From the looks of the lays it was really run on its nose! Needs to run level front to rear and side to side.



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Billy NY

08-18-2012 18:59:44
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to casecollectorsc, 08-18-2012 18:18:32  
I kinda knew it was worn shares looked way down when I go it. I block up the non furrow wheel 8" or so, then level the plow both ways, the previous owner(s) may have done that nosing in. I've had it since '10 used it once on an acre, been sitting since. One reason I grabbed it was that you don't find these for sale locally very often.



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BushogPapa

08-19-2012 07:49:31
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-18-2012 18:59:44  
Once you are done with it..(Each and Every time)..coat ALL wearing parts with oil or grease, then give that a good coat of Cheap Enamel Paint.. The paint protects the oil or grease from rain, etc and will protect for several years. Slips right off, when you drop it in the ground..

Ron..



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Billy NY

08-20-2012 20:34:41
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to BushogPapa, 08-19-2012 07:49:31  
My 110 single is painted with rustoleum, no grease, this 101 I bought and it was scoured/polished, kept in a dry barn. I then used it a little, knew it was wore, so I took it off, greased the moldboards, and faced it out of the weather, it would polish up in a few feet, if you look closely you can see there is a little rust on the mold board in one area, the rest is grease residue, did not know the enamel would adhere over grease, will try that next time, the soils around here will scour a plow in easily, but the rust does eventually leave pits, best to paint or coat with something. I can imagine how easily a rusted one would plug or pull hard in finer less abrasive soils with higher moisture, I assume this is why people coat them.

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BushogPapa

08-21-2012 16:07:27
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 Re: Ford 101 2 bottom plow wear parts ? pics in reply to Billy NY, 08-20-2012 20:34:41  
Around here, Older, Smaller tractors can barely pull a rusty plow and the trouble of scraping the stuck soil off, until it scours is an awful job.. A nicely scoured plow here is worth a whole lot more than a Rusty one... I have found that a good Coat of Cheap Enamel over a light coat of oil or Grease protects the oil/grease film from the weather and wipes right off when you first drop the plow in the ground... Here, it is common to need to scour a rusty plow with a Bigger tractor or chain a 2nd tractor to the one plowing... Ron..

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