Author	[Modern View]
jackinok 07-26-2012 07:53:02 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Due to dry weather,fires,etc etc ive wound up up with several areas where ive disced,or plowed up native grass,for fire breaks this year. ive sold all my large equipment,and only have 8ns and 9n tractors left that ive kept basicaly as chore tractors.in looking through my junk pile ive found an old large chisel shank,my idea is to mount this basicaly on a tool bar and use it as a single ripper before i replant these areas back to grass.this is ground thats never been worked,and it varies from blow sand ,gravel,to almost solid rock.anyone done this?any chance of a 8n being able to pull this deep enough to make it worthwhile?just trying to hold all the water i can,because i have no real easy way to get water to these places to help establish grass.we get nearly all our moisture over the winter here,so i plan to rip it (if possible) leave it fallow and plant very early next spring. [Reply]   [No Email]
Ralph Bauer 07-26-2012 20:35:06 75.107.16.137 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 07:53:02   Got a neighbor with a serious ripper?? Or look around for a digital cable crew, they use a single shank to get down deep laying cable. Road crews? They use serious HD stuff as well. Might be able to talk them into making a little extra after hours... Or check out your HD equipment rental places, I know there are several in Lawton... sure more closer to you. If you had a ripper and we would be closer, I'd bring my 5010 over and give it a workout...! Ralph near Hester,OK.   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-27-2012 07:47:30 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 07-26-2012 20:35:06   I apreciate it,but honestly if i were going to rip the whole place i would go down and hire a cat and operator and get it over with. i was just out at the junk pile and thought,maybe if i put that, with that, i could do this.. now i also saw some new s-tines,a few springtooth tines,an old cultivator, trailer frame ,couple of axles,bale spear,, a good farmer should be able to make SOMETHING out of this junk,,a smart one would make money at the scrap iron place ,but...   [Reply]  [No Email]
James22 07-26-2012 12:26:24 207.179.239.145 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 07:53:02   It will work but very likely will need to make several passes in the same slot to get any depth   [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY 07-26-2012 11:07:52 67.248.100.3 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 07:53:02   I think there is benefit to doing this if you can get results, but doing so with what you have could be risky, and or not work. A shear protected subsoiler, may possibly work but like was mentioned, you sure do not want to hook onto something or spin your wheels. Ideally, when dry like it is, I believe you want the subsoil to fracture, correct, when moist you just pull a slot through it, maybe not as effective as a fracture, or produce the best results, soils and conditions vary so much, not fair to really to comment. I would have to say that a crawler with a multi shank ripper, scarifier would make short work of this work. I have run caterpillar D8K's with single shank,(double barrel-nick name) rippers in heavy frost and kinds of rock that can be ripped, the effect you get is a fracture, and a much smaller crawler, single or multi shank would certainly do this work, likely not in the budget I would assume.   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-26-2012 12:43:48 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to Billy NY, 07-26-2012 11:07:52   yes your correct, when its dry subsoiling does more good, if youve got as you say big enough machines.we always pulled them with d8 or 9 cats back when my uncle was i alive and had his earthmoving buisness.budgets not the big rub either, just that i dont have a whole lot to do,got the parts,times certainly no problem since until it rains some NOTHING is going to grow. I was just more or less curious if you all thought it would work. getting it in the ground is probably going to be the biggest problem here. especialy since this grounds never been worked before. a true subsoiler absolutly would be better, no doubt about that,but i really dont want to buy anymore equipment to just lay around. only reason i've this to do is i had to put out fires.grass will grow fine by just plowing it im sure,it always has,im mainly just experimenting. if it doesnt work,ive found out.if it does,may be something someone else could do if they need to.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY 07-26-2012 14:04:17 67.248.100.3 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 12:43:48   Its nice when you have access to that kind of equipment, I know the process of ripping, but its great to learn more about the ag and soil aspect of it and how it improves or helps problems like you mention. I have a practically N.O.S. Ford single shank subsoiler, guy had it for sale with other implements when I bought a nice Ford single bottom plow from him, this subsoiler looks well made, shear protected too, replaceable tooth etc., I used to see these very reasonably on the YT ads here, older dearborn or ford and others of that era, maybe you could source one of those and test the waters a bit, like you said, might be like a plow, no down pressure, won't bite and sink in, boy those big ole rippers on the larger crawlers are amazing, I had a lot of fun ripping up frost so we could cut with scrapers in the middle of winter.   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-26-2012 14:19:35 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to Billy NY, 07-26-2012 14:04:17   sold some rock for a oil field location off this place about five years ago.guy showed up with a small case dozer and started ripping and pushing rock up. he got down about two feet , hit a layer of that old white looking sand rock and that small case wouldnt even scratch it. after him wasting time for a week they hauled out a d9,,that thing was a SERIOUS rock ripper. he had rippers on back that worked going forward,and some on the bottom of blade that worked in reverse.he would just go back and forth and the smaller machine would push the rocks out of his way. i had never seen any rippers pointing backwards on a blade before.they were hinged so when he went forward they would fold up and would hinge down when he backed up.   [Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY 07-27-2012 07:30:25 67.248.100.3 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 14:19:35   Those large crawlers are real heavy, combined weight and hydraulics, decent height on the grouser pads, when you pull that lever and sink that shank in at a standstill, impressive at what it can do.   [Reply]  [No Email]
maxwell99 07-26-2012 09:34:54 208.66.240.175 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 07:53:02   might work if you had one of these: after you get some moisture in the ground, as these subsoilers are hard to pull with small tractors. note in picture the main beam is attached to the cross bar with two sheer bolts. (bottom one is behind cross bar. would not want to use one of these without a sheer bolt system in place and with an 8N tractor you would want soft bolts as sheer bolts. You do not want to hang a rock and break the lift arms or some other part of your tractor. but the sub soiler will allow water to soak into the fields when you get water. may have to go over the same trench 2 or 3 times with that small of tractor to get the trench deep enough.   [Reply]  [No Email]
old 07-26-2012 09:17:12 209.86.226.27 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 07:53:02   I see two problems with your idea. #1 as dry as it is you may have half your top soil blow away on you if you do that. #2 if you so much as hit a rock you may start that fire your hoping to keep safe from   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-26-2012 10:07:37 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to old, 07-26-2012 09:17:12   its going to blow anyway since i had to disc and plow it up.could buy a subsoiler but ive got this stuff (think cheapo).Plow worked fairly well even as dry as it is,but i could only get it in the ground 6-7 inches.i just thought i may break it up a little deeper while i had the chance.it surely is dry though.   [Reply]  [No Email]
old 07-26-2012 10:12:27 209.86.226.27 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 10:07:37   Yep to me way to dry to even think about plowing any thing. But then I think back to the dust bowl years where farmers did in fact plow ground when it was this hot and dry and ended up cause problems all over the U.S with the dust storms   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-26-2012 10:28:12 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to old, 07-26-2012 10:12:27   thats true ,im still fighting the after effects.couldnt just let all the pasture burn though,and grass is certainly not going to get established in this dry weather,so im kind of in a spot here.   [Reply]  [No Email]
old 07-26-2012 10:40:48 209.86.226.27 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 10:28:12   Oh so your saying you should have wore a gas mask to go out and plow due to the dust in the air getting in your eyes and lungs and all???? LOL   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-26-2012 11:25:16 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to old, 07-26-2012 10:40:48   no,you soon get used to the dust in western okla.just dealing with the places where all the soil blew away in the thirties.LOL bottoms are all blow sand and you sink out of sight,and the hill tops are red shale.in between youve got clay and gravel.not the best place to farm for sure, thats why I THOUGHT i was quiting it.seems like i just keep going backwards though. luckily i dont have a whole lot of this to do.places maybe 30 ft wide,but the longest one is close to 1/4 mile long. might be able to plant this fall,but its sure not looking like it now.might throw some oats or wheat out,might even sow some grass and then drill oats over it if it rains fairly soon.   [Reply]  [No Email]
old 07-26-2012 15:42:33 209.86.226.19 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 11:25:16   Ya I do not know much about the western side of OK but is you where in the Seneca area of OK I know a bit about that since one of the tractors I own came from a farm in the area. Almost ended up living in that area due to the fact my parents and grand parents where trying to set something up so my parent would have got the farm there. That tractor did all the farming on my grand fathers farm till he retired and of course before that he had horses. I have had 5 generation of my family on that tractor   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-27-2012 09:16:37 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to old, 07-26-2012 15:42:33   wife inherited a part of a good farm from her grandad down by colbert a few years ago.i should have been smart and moved there. But i guess I'm like grandad,he liked being where he could see whos coming for three miles and get conveniently busy.. i grew up on those old john deeres,dad was always buying and selling them.grandad was a case man through and through though. he traded his mules and a wagon for this 500 acres in 35 and his first and only tractor was that old 42 case.after he died my cousin went out and tried to start it. grandad always drained the radiator and block in the winter so my cousin filled it with water ,left it and it busted the block. dad sold it to a neighbor,and a few years later just before dad died i took him to a tractor show and he had it running there.we helped dad up on it and he let him drive it around the parking lot.that was the first and last both of them ever drove. I have a standing offer with the neighbor to buy it back if he ever sells it.   [Reply]  [No Email]
old 07-27-2012 10:13:28 209.86.226.27 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-27-2012 09:16:37   Back when my grand father got this JD-B was a time when you had to ask the gov if you could buy things like that and it took him 5 years for them to ok him buying that tractor and he got it used from a place in southern KS. If the engine has ever been opened up on this one it would have been some time back in the 40s or 50s so yep the old girl smokes a bit but hey it is old enough to do so LOL   [Reply]  [No Email]
Richard G. 07-26-2012 09:02:52 98.71.147.177 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to jackinok, 07-26-2012 07:53:02   I pull a subsoiler with my 8N at least a foot deep in clay soil. Weight on the rear will help. If it is very dry, I can't do it. Richard   [Reply]  [No Email]
jackinok 07-26-2012 10:16:43 162.58.82.136 Report to Moderator	Re: will this work? in reply to Richard G., 07-26-2012 09:02:52   yea the dry ground is going to be a problem.thats why i thought this old cultivator shank may be easier than a subsoiler. I think I'll put it together and try it in the garden.since its all scrap anyway, it will just make it heavier to throw on the trailer! thanks guys i'll let you know if it does anything. i may just have a heavy row marker!   [Reply]  [No Email]