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Texasmark1 07-24-2012 05:20:08 67.142.175.27 Report to Moderator	I thought I posted this yesterday am, but looked for it last night and couldn't find it. So here goes again. You mentioned a 375 and an older 510 having similarities, what about bale fill monitors? Mine aren't working. Apparently you are familiar with them. Initially I cleaned and lubed everything so that it worked smooth as silk. I could take the belts and pull them against the sense arms and with more pressure see the indicators raise the bar into the viewing window...the tighter the higher. Looked great. When I baled my field a couple of days ago they were pretty much unpredictable and only saw them raise a few times whereupon I filled that side till they disappeared....I had set the bar just visible above the bottom of window with the chamber empty and machine off. I was turning out some really bad bales so I just did it "by ear" and they were a lot better, some even looked sellable. Ha! So yesterday I moved the bars to the center of the windows so that I could see them better as where I had them set I couldn't see the bar most of the time in baling. I tested the system and with the sensors vertical the bar was at the top of the window and still clearly visible. Am I doing that right? I don't understand how I can walk through it manually but when I have a bale on the roll they don't work. I got my navel hernia problem fixed. I feed a good amount of hay into the throat and then do S curves across the bale rather than more of an H pattern that I had done before. Thanks on that. Appreciate your reply and thanks for your time, Mark [Reply]   [No Email]
Tx Jim 08-20-2012 04:22:28 67.142.163.24 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Cienna, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   HillbillyHermit Another thing that I thought of is the fact that there is according to parts catalog 3 cylinders on your 375. The other cylinder could be bypassing oil internally. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 08-20-2012 03:33:04 67.142.163.24 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Inno, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see If the hoses removed were still attached the the tractor remote then the tractor remote could also be the culprit of the leaking oil out of the hose. Try doing as I suggested and close gate,disconnect hoses from tractor and see if gate comes open while baling a bale of hay. One or all of these valves could also be malfunctioning AE54854 Pressure Relief Valve 1 AA28979 Check Valve 1 AE43612 Pressure Relief Valve [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 08-19-2012 15:08:54 67.142.163.21 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Farmallb, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   HillbillyHermit Have you tried closing the tailgate then disconnect hoses from tractor and trying to make a bale????? [Reply]  [No Email]
HillbillyHermit 08-19-2012 16:15:08 66.37.91.188 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Tx Jim, 08-19-2012 15:08:54   We actually rigged this baler with hydraulic valves to run the tie arm and the gate off the same set of tractor valves. We throw them one way to turn the pressure to the gate, the other to turn it to tie. We removed the valve to run the baler stright to the tractor to test them, and have no difference. We are working on it now and we were closing the gate but removed the front hose (which should be opening the gate) from each cylinder and were surprised to get fluid running from the hoses. This seems to indicate the cylinders are not leaking on close, but the tesnioning valve is allowing fluid to run through it instead of building pressure to hold the gate cylinders closed. [Reply]  [No Email]
HillbillyHermit 08-19-2012 14:15:26 66.37.91.188 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   I"ve also got a JD 375 round bale with problems and hope someone has info on testing the tensioning valve. Recently the gate has started pushing open when rolling the bale. I checked the gate cylinders and didn"t see any indication of fluid leaking past them, so I believe the problem is in this valve. There are several fitting plugs in the valve block, so I believe they are test ports. Can anybody confirm this and give me the pressure I should be getting at each port? Also, I would hope a technical manual would advise what part to replace for low pressures at each port. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 07-25-2012 09:33:59 67.142.163.25 Report to Moderator	Re: Me Again in reply to nh014, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Mark I know there is no pressure gauge or electrical bale shape sensors on the 375 hence my previous statement that ""your baler isn't similar to a 530"". The assembly you're referring to is part of the hyd belt tensioning mechanism. All parts listed below can contribute to bales not being firm in conjunction with the baler OPERATOR & size of windrow. You're welcome to call me 8one7five1seven1fivenine0 and I will be glad to assist you in any way I can. parts key #1 AE51677 Relief Valve 1 (SUB FOR AE48487 ) (SUB AE54854) parts key #6 AA28979 Check Valve 1 Parts key#14 AE43612 Pressure Relief Valve 1 Jim [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-25-2012 08:22:00 67.142.175.21 Report to Moderator	Me Again in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Went to the baler just now and have some info: There is no pressure indicator on this baler. It is a '91 model. The indicators are not electrical and no gauge in the cab is required. They are purely mechanical. A sliding plate moves up and down behind a 2" squarish hole in the right side front cover of the baler and on the plates are horizintal lines. They move up and down in the window as a function of the position of the belt tension sensor at the top rear of both sides of the baler. Question: What is the name of item #6 in that illustration if you please? Items 1 and 14 I assume are pressure relief valves. I traced out the hoses shown in your July 24 reply and they are only 2 hoses per side as shown and each side connects to the front and rear of the gate control cylinders. No other connections and no other cylinders associated with the belts. On your July 25 reply you showed a blow up illustration of the baler and in the first picture at the top right of the baler is a spring assembly which includes item 14 the spring. Question: What is the purpose of this assembly? It appears that it moves that roller up as part of the gate opening process. Nothing else connects to that upper roller control arm. Since there is no other mechanism that is movable connecting the belts, does it also function as a belt tensioner? It appears that if you shorten it the position of the upper roller will move higher (away from the baler) in the static condition and if you increased it's height, by shortening the spring assembly you could put some tension on the belts. When comparing to the tensioning springs on my 530 it is quite small and only connected to one side as compared to a very large spring on both sides of the 530.....course I'm not rolling a 2000# 6' diam. roll with this one either. Thanks, Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 07-25-2012 06:18:52 67.142.163.20 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Racrx, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Mark I've never seen or been around a JD 375 baler with cable operated bale indicators BUT I've adjusted several other models with the electronic sensors on balers with a monitor box. The electronic sensors are very tricky to adjust. As I previously stated if you don't crowd the windrow edges very hard it's very difficult to get both flat ends of a rd bale firm and 5 ft wide bales are more difficult than smaller balers. Operating a rd baler is a "learning process" IE I learn something new quite regularly. HTH's,Jim [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-25-2012 05:54:28 67.142.175.21 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Ok Jim and Roger. I really appreciate your comments and find it comforting that the two of you agree on how to set the indicator. I have read enough to decide to get operator's and repair manuals and do this right. I sincerely appreciate the time you have taken to direct me correctly like correcting me on how to set the indicator. The reason I said what I said about making a cylindrical bale rather than loading one side at a time is that on one of my bales I followed the indicator and it would up one side loaded with a huge navel hernia on that side; the other side didn't have 1/4 roll. A real mess. Ralph, that isn't a bad idea. Thanks. Appreciate y'alls time and consideration. I find myself set in my ways and beliefs and fail to recognize when someone is trying to help me sometimes. This time I got the message.........finally. Grin Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 07-25-2012 03:43:47 67.142.163.24 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to jmurphy97, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Texasmark1 said: (quoted from post at 20:56:23 07/24/12) How does it affect the tensioning of the belts on the bale? The tractor is a 57 pto hp I bought new in '07 with 500 hrs on it so hyd pressure is ok. My 530 had 2 very large adjustable springs, one per side for tensioning. I looked for such on this baler and saw none; just a spring for the roller that pops up over the baler when you start the gate opening process. Don't get me wrong, the bales aren't sloppy loose. I can force a couple of my fingers into the end whereas on my 530 I couldn't The tensioning valve is suppose to hold a set amount of hyd pressure on the belts as bale is being formed and they can FAIL. Just because your tractor is 5 yrs old and only has 500 hrs on it doesn't mean the remote can't be leaking OFF. These are ins the photo hold rollers that stagger bthe belts and put the tension on the belts in conjunction with the gate cylinders. PS: if you chose to adjust bale the indicators with hay in baler please follow Rogers instructions to the letter. This post was edited by Tx Jim at 03:47:37 07/25/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 07-24-2012 16:29:46 67.142.163.26 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to showcrop, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   If the bales are level from side to side and not tight then I'd suspect a problem with this tensioning valve or tractor SCV. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-24-2012 17:56:23 67.142.175.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Tx Jim, 07-24-2012 16:29:46   That valve supplies hyd pressure from my remotes to the cylinders that operate the gate and the tie boom......doesn't it? How does it affect the tensioning of the belts on the bale? The tractor is a 57 pto hp I bought new in '07 with 500 hrs on it so hyd pressure is ok. I can lift a ton pallet of fertilizer with my FEL without batting an eye. My 530 had 2 very large adjustable springs, one per side for tensioning. I looked for such on this baler and saw none; just a spring for the roller that pops up over the baler when you start the gate opening process. It all does make sense. If the bales aren't getting tight enough, there is not enough pressure on the belts to move the level sensor out which would be moving the indicator, which doesn't seem to want to move all that much. Course I can roll a 4' roll at the redline on the gauge so that should say something about the pressure on the belts; i.e. belt tension. Just asking questions looking for answers. Don't get me wrong, the bales aren't sloppy loose. I can force a couple of my fingers into the end whereas on my 530 I couldn't. Thanks, Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Tx Jim 07-24-2012 11:41:27 67.142.163.20 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to steve in wi, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   Mark I know you're aware the 375 has cable control bale indicators but not a true monitor box similar to some of the other JD rd balers. Are the flat ends of your bales so tight that you can't stick your fingers in it without difficulty?? If not you are NOT crowding each side of the windrow while you're feeding the the hay in the pickup near hard enough. The ends of the bales need to be very firm to push the outside belts against the ball brgs on the ind arms. I agree with what Roger stated in that the windrow needs to be less than 1/2 the width of baler or full width of baler. Full width & FLAT is how I like my windrows so only minor bale levelness correction is required just before wrapping begins. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-24-2012 14:31:38 67.142.175.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Tx Jim, 07-24-2012 11:41:27   Yes sir! Grin. Okaye, I understand what you are saying. The bales are not real tight but I figured that was because I didn't have tensioner springs like I did on my 530 that I could tighten down and set the density of the bale, hence tightness. Some of the bales that I gut felt what was level are perfect cylinders, but not real tight. Can I have a perfect cylindrical bale and still not be crowding the sides as much as I need to be? Thanks for your time. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Roger in Iowa 07-24-2012 05:42:55 166.182.3.66 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 05:20:08   What is wrong with the shapes of your bales? Are they whiskey shaped, with more hay in the center of the bales? The monitors will not work well because of the bale shape. If so, you are putting too much hay in the middle because your windrows are over half as wide as the baler. They should be either less than half or very full width of baler. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-24-2012 09:51:23 67.142.175.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Roger in Iowa, 07-24-2012 05:42:55   No sir, I know about barrel hay. They were lop sided because I watched the monitor and it lied to me. Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Roger in Iowa 07-24-2012 14:43:49 166.182.3.67 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 09:51:23   Then it can only one of two things, either the sensor(s) are mis-adjusted or the outside belts are radically different lengths. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-24-2012 15:37:31 67.142.175.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Roger in Iowa, 07-24-2012 14:43:49   I can run the sensors through from full relaxed belt compression to vertical which exceeds the angle that the sensor would be if the belt were banjo string tight. By hand they both work fine. I have new pulleys, and slicked up the gauge slides, new springs and anything else I could think of to remove any friction from the sensor info getting to the gauges. All the belts are within 1" of detent when pushed on from the rear. Both outside belts deflect roughly identical. I can roll a perfectly cylindrical roll some of the time. If I had a loose belt I could never do that. I would always have a bulge at the soft spot. Lets keep the dialogue going. Thanks, Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Roger in Iowa 07-24-2012 16:36:08 166.182.3.112 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 15:37:31   Make half of a bale and force the hay to one side so that belt is tight. Adjust the sensor so the monitor indicator is near the top of opening. Continue making the bale but now to the other side so that belt is tight. Adjust the sensor so the monitor is the same as the other one was. See if the next bale works okay. [Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark1 07-24-2012 18:00:42 67.142.175.27 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Roger in Iowa, 07-24-2012 16:36:08   I can do that on my next cutting. That makes a lot of sense, or I could just make a cylindrical bale and run it into the redline (roll diameter meter) and stop and make both the adjustments then. If I stop and get out and go around to the rear of the baler, I can tell if the bale is cylindrical. If not I can run some more hay to level it up. Thanks, Mark [Reply]  [No Email]
Ralph Bauer 07-24-2012 23:15:48 75.107.16.137 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 18:00:42   Assuming you mean with "next cutting" some weeks, couple months down the road, just unroll with a loader some of you bad ones , windrow them if/as needed again and try it. Beats waiting. Or find someone within your "neighborhood" to cut and experiment with bailing till it's set right. Rambling in OK. Ralph. [Reply]  [No Email]
Roger in Iowa 07-24-2012 19:50:43 166.182.3.110 Report to Moderator	Re: Tx Jim another Round Baler Question in reply to Texasmark1, 07-24-2012 18:00:42   NO! Do not make a cylindrical shaped bale. Please do as I say... You will not prove anything. [Reply]  [No Email]