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In-line square balers

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LincolnIA

08-04-2010 17:32:50
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Anybody have any expierience with an in-line small square baler?. Looking at a Case IH 8530. Don't know much about them, or in-line small balers in general.




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mike sheets

10-24-2010 15:28:23
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to LincolnIA, 08-04-2010 17:32:50  
After using four Ford 532 balers for the last six years and having very good performance, I have decided to purchase an new baler. My father has a New Holland baler and it makes a good bale. I have often wandered if the in-line balers were any better. After all I have not had but very little problems from what I have used up to now. I borrowed an in-line Heston 4550. I was sold the first ten bales. Now all I have to do is find one.

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larryh

08-05-2010 16:46:15
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to LincolnIA, 08-04-2010 17:32:50  
we have a hesston 4600 inline ---we have had deere and nh there is no comparison---think before we give up an inline we will just pasture our hay



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Tx Jim

08-05-2010 03:57:00
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to w_s_, 08-04-2010 17:32:50  
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Would you please explain what gives an inline sq baler the capability to have better leaf retention on a bale of Alfalfa than a JD/NH sq baler? Thanks



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State of Jefferson

08-05-2010 15:03:13
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Tx Jim, 08-05-2010 03:57:00  
The theory is that hay going through inline balers doesn't have to change directions. It just goes up the pickup, through the stuffers and into the chamber. All pretty much a straight shot. No making a right hand turn like a side pull baler. Weather that is the case or not I can't say forsure. I think it has more to do with hay conditions than anything.

Ben



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Tim(nj)

08-05-2010 19:30:52
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to State of Jefferson, 08-05-2010 15:03:13  
The claim also is that the low-profile pickup on the Hesston doesn't kick hay along in front as it picks up hay. Also some say the Deere auger by nature grinds leaves off . . . New Holland claimed that when touting their Roto-Feed. I think when one is forced to bale in less-than-ideal conditions (too dry), the in-line does save some leaves vs. the other two, but in normal conditions, it's negligible.

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Stuart

08-04-2010 20:41:40
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to LincolnIA, 08-04-2010 17:32:50  
Deere makes the best bale. I piled thousands of bales and know that for a fact. As far as leaf retention, that has more to do with the time of day that it gets raked.



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hayray

08-04-2010 18:40:34
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to LincolnIA, 08-04-2010 17:32:50  
Had a 8530 for years, now run a Hesston 4590 in line. They make the best bale out of all the other balers in consistency and leaf retention and are easey to get around because they are not offset. The Deeres and New Hollands probably will eat more hay but bale quality does not compare.



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Vernon in Ks

08-05-2010 09:10:03
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to hayray, 08-04-2010 18:40:34  
I respectfully disagree. My customers hate the bales from an inline as the bales don"t flake. The inline wads the hay rather than fold it. Leaf retention is based on moister in hay when baled. When John Deere made the 348 ALL the others should have spent their time making some other line of equipment.



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hayray

08-06-2010 02:53:26
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Vernon in Ks, 08-05-2010 09:10:03  
I got no clue what you are stating, "bales don't flake. I have never heard that complaint after selling over 20,000 bales per year directly to the customer for a coule decades. I often get told how no one elses bales even compare to my bale. The low profile pick up on the baler is a trough that none of the leaves can fall out of, also the baler has a prepack chamber before the plunger, so bale quality has a lot more to do then what conditions you bale in when using a in line.

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Tim(nj)

08-06-2010 09:37:29
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to hayray, 08-06-2010 02:53:26  
Perhaps he cannot accept that a machine painted a color other than green and yellow can actually do a job and do it well . . .



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RodInNS

08-06-2010 13:37:34
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Tim(nj), 08-06-2010 09:37:29  
Sounds about right to me...

I know a guy around here that has a Case/Hesston inline. It's easily the nicest, simplest little baler I've ever seen. There's probably 20% fewer moving parts in that thing because the feeder is so simple and it works smoothly. The best part is that just about anyone can set it up and bale with it provided it's timed right and the knotters are setup right. Certainly no bananna bales come out of it.
I use an old Ford myself but if I was looking for another one the inline would be at the top of my list. Hell with NewHolland or Deere...

Rod

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Stuart

08-07-2010 22:41:10
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to RodInNS, 08-06-2010 13:37:34  
Its ok.... since you dont know any better. Try rebuilding one of those inline balers vs a Deere baler. LOL.



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Stuart

08-06-2010 20:59:19
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to RodInNS, 08-06-2010 13:37:34  
Then why did Deere make a million more than Hesston?CIH?????



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RodInNS

08-07-2010 05:27:57
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Stuart, 08-06-2010 20:59:19  
1. Blind brand loyalty to green paint.
2. Hesston/Case has only built inlines since the mid eighties? The hayday of square balers was long since passed by that time.

It doesn't for one second change the fact that it's a simpler more efficient baler.

Rod



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Stuart

08-08-2010 05:49:40
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to RodInNS, 08-07-2010 05:27:57  
Brand loyalty doesnt sell equipment if it is a total pos.



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Stuart

08-07-2010 22:39:51
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to RodInNS, 08-07-2010 05:27:57  
A belt thrower is a simpler design???? More efficient baler, son you need to learn some things about square baling. lol. Thanks for the laugh.



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RodInNS

08-08-2010 01:48:09
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Stuart, 08-07-2010 22:39:51  
I'm sorry to tell you... but if you've piled thousands of bales and Deere is the only one that can make a bale to your satisfaction... then it tells me one thing. You don't know how to set a baler...
They can all make a good bale if you learn how to set them.
I'm frequently amused at how various balers are condemned on this forum and around 'here' locally in favor of NH or Deere when in reality they all use one of two knotter designs and for the most part use three variations on their feeder concept...
It's funny to hear IH condemned as a bananna baler when Deere used the same feeding system...which the same guy thinks is gospel... then the next guy bitches about NH's flow action... and yet another complains about Ford and Massey's feed fork system. They're all no good depending on who you listen to.
Ignorance is bliss...
Hesston has fewer moving parts. One feeder. 2 bearings. One crank... and it works reliably.
Don't know what's so hard about that. Compare that to an auger, a feed fork or forks, a dozen bushings that forever wear out... aluminum fingers that break off... etc.

If the only thing you have to fall back on is thrower design, then that's a whole different issue than the baler itself. Since I don't use any of them, you can preach to the green choir all you like... but I suspect throwers are much like balers. Adjustment and a little bit of actual knowledge.

Rod

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Stuart

08-08-2010 05:48:55
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to RodInNS, 08-08-2010 01:48:09  
Owned a JD 336 since new and other than rebuilding the knotters and thrower bushings. I have dont nothing to it but grease it and go.



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Tim(nj)

08-10-2010 20:57:07
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Stuart, 08-08-2010 05:48:55  
If all you've owned is a Deere (I had a 336 as well) then how do you know how hard it is to rebuild an inline? BTW, if you haven't welded on that #30 ejaculator yet, you're either making peanut bales or you're lying.



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State of Jefferson

08-05-2010 22:35:08
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Vernon in Ks, 08-05-2010 09:10:03  
My current girlfriend is one of those snobby horse hay customers. Before I moved down to this farm community, she bought hay from a friend of ours who ran two inline small balers. Even in grass hay his flakes were like stacked quarters, perfect uniformity, nice tight flakes, good quality hay. The boys around here run the larger 3 tie inline balers(4690s Hesston) So I've been supplying her hay from them. The flakes from the 2 tie machines were FAR better than the Soggy messes that the 3 tie machines produce. Hay quality HERE is likely a bit better than THERE. The big difference is that the guys here with the 3 tie balers have to turn their tension down so they can make a 90# bale that some horsey gal can lift. Whereas the guy with the 2 tie machine can crank 'er down pretty tight and make a good solid 85# bale that she can still lift. Internally it is very much the same machine.

Don't even get me stared on the Freeman balers that supposedly are "the most gentle on hay, and the nicest flaking machines available"

Ben

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Tim(nj)

08-05-2010 19:23:08
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 Re: In-line square balers in reply to Vernon in Ks, 08-05-2010 09:10:03  
The bales from my inline flake just like any others. Take your Deere chamber and turn it 1/4 turn so the knives are on the bottom. Do the same for the intake. The Hesston has a plunger just like the Deere, except it's being fed by a fork from the bottom instead of the side by an auger. I've seen wadded bales from NH, JD and Hesston balers due to the flake running the baler. Some people just insist on operating with dull knives, loose plunger rollers and too high ground speed in tough hay, which makes ratty-looking bales with wads that won't pull apart.

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