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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler

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Bill_B_WS

05-24-2010 14:04:52
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Hey all. I have a MF baler that runs in time but wont tie. I"ve been through everything and can"t figure it out. Even had a few old timers look at it and neither can they. The knotter looks sound, bill hook is shiney, the cutters are sharp. It will cut one side and not knot, and the other side the string doesn"t cut and it will produce a six foot bale, until you hand cut the twine. Does anyone know a good MF mechanic in West TN? I"m 40 miles south of JAckson, TN and 50 miles east of Memphis. Other wise the baler seems sound.
Thanks!
Bill

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sammydwm

06-02-2010 06:05:25
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Bill_B_WS, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  
Had the not tying problem on my old #3. The wheels that follow the cam were flat spotted and wouldn't allow the flipper to move properly.



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tedbo

06-01-2010 05:59:02
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to INCase, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  

bill_b_ws said: (quoted from post at 15:54:38 05/25/10) Hello Everyone!

Thank you for your replies. You all brought up a lot of good points. The bill hook does not have groves worn in them. The spring tensioner is not broken, the tension spring and tension on the twine is good. No groves worn in the twine guides.
The wiper arm appears it may be broken on the side the twine won"t cut(this is the right side the bale keeps growing, meaning it won"t cut or knot and the bale could be a twelve foot bale if I let it keep going).
The left side knotters won"t tie; they"ll cut but not knot. The needles appear to feed ok, but it"s hard to tell. I"ve ridden on the back of the baler and watched the process along with an older square baler man. Neither of us could figure it out. I fear it"s a combination of so many different parts not doing what they are supposed to do. The knotter assembly, at this point, is beyond me to figure it out, it doesn"t flip up like NH Balers, and you have to unbolt it. At least we couldn"t figure out how to flip it up, and, yes I have a manual <grin>. We have taken it apart, but that didn"t do it either. I think I need an expert at this point.
If anyone knows a good mechanic in my area, at this point I"m ready to give in to the 70 per hour labor charge. I"ve spent over 16 hours tinkering with it, riding on the back, etc. I even developed a cheat to test the tie and it didn"t work. I used a high tension bungee on both sets of twine and tripped the knotter multiple times, and we still couldn"t figure it out! I"m ready to call in a pro. Was the baler not in such good condition sheet metal wise, etc, I"d sell it for parts and get a newer baler. But I can"t get the $1400 out of it I have in it. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I live in West TN, 40 miles south of Jackson and 50 miles east of Memphis if anyone knows a good mechanic in my area that can work on a Massey 12.

Thanks!!

Bill


Mine acted up on me just like yours once while in the field. I found out that a spring hooked to a groove in the linkage had come off. This linkage rod is attached to the flat,comma looking part that swings over to pull the twine to start the knotting.

Mine didn't break anything,it just slipped off the rod because I don't have a cover for the top of my baler and it gathers hay into the workings.

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ryanwheelock

05-25-2010 07:17:00
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Bill_B_WS, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  
May want to get a good manual for it.



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bill_b_ws

05-25-2010 11:54:38
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to ryanwheelock, 05-25-2010 07:17:00  
Hello Everyone!
Thank you for your replies. You all brought up a lot of good points. The bill hook does not have groves worn in them. The spring tensioner is not broken, the tension spring and tension on the twine is good. No groves worn in the twine guides.

The wiper arm appears it may be broken on the side the twine won"t cut(this is the right side the bale keeps growing, meaning it won"t cut or knot and the bale could be a twelve foot bale if I let it keep going).

The left side knotters won"t tie; they"ll cut but not knot. The needles appear to feed ok, but it"s hard to tell. I"ve ridden on the back of the baler and watched the process along with an older square baler man. Neither of us could figure it out. I fear it"s a combination of so many different parts not doing what they are supposed to do. The knotter assembly, at this point, is beyond me to figure it out, it doesn"t flip up like NH Balers, and you have to unbolt it. At least we couldn"t figure out how to flip it up, and, yes I have a manual . We have taken it apart, but that didn"t do it either. I think I need an expert at this point.

If anyone knows a good mechanic in my area, at this point I"m ready to give in to the 70 per hour labor charge. I"ve spent over 16 hours tinkering with it, riding on the back, etc. I even developed a cheat to test the tie and it didn"t work. I used a high tension bungee on both sets of twine and tripped the knotter multiple times, and we still couldn"t figure it out! I"m ready to call in a pro. Was the baler not in such good condition sheet metal wise, etc, I"d sell it for parts and get a newer baler. But I can"t get the $1400 out of it I have in it. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I live in West TN, 40 miles south of Jackson and 50 miles east of Memphis if anyone knows a good mechanic in my area that can work on a Massey 12.
Thanks!!
Bill

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Showcrop

05-26-2010 04:36:10
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to bill_b_ws, 05-25-2010 11:54:38  
Bill I'll ask again if you have turned it over by hand to check what it is doing. This is the only way to check needle adjustment. if the needles are out, the knotters can't "catch" the twine. and you have no hope of seeing it riding on the back while it is working because they move too fast.



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bill_B_ws

06-02-2010 15:42:03
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Showcrop, 05-26-2010 04:36:10  
Hey thurlow,

I did turn it over by hand, well, wife and friend did while I watched. The needles have the correct clearance, it appears they enter the knotter ok, and the gears take in the twine and start rolling it around. Not sure if the bill hooks are working correctly though. it looks like it's not twisting correctly, although I have no idea what that'd look like. Check out the longer description on my last post. Thanks again!

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thurlow

05-26-2010 07:52:43
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Showcrop, 05-26-2010 04:36:10  
TOTALLY agree; anytime there's a problem with the knotters that's not immediately obvious, roll it over by hand and trip the tying mechanism and OBSERVE what's happening.



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495man

05-25-2010 12:58:04
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to bill_b_ws, 05-25-2010 11:54:38  
The knotters should partially flip up anyways by removing the bolts just above the chamber, they will sort of pivot up.
Too much tension can cause trouble, off hand there is the twine tensioner on the side of the twine box, the twine guides (spring load) on each knotter and the "twine clamp" (5/8" head bolt??) on side each knotter.
Also see if the twine stripper on each knotter is in time, you mention one side is broken ("wiper"?) the sides of the stripper hooks can get a groove in them where they rest against the stops and the linkage gets sloppy meaning the hook goes away too far and reacts too slowly.

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JMS/.MN

05-25-2010 04:51:41
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Bill_B_WS, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  
Length of the bale should not be determined by how the knotters are working. Should be some type of measuring wheel, etc.- separate adjustment. Bill hooks and associated parts needn"t wear the same- can have one side working, one not. Can be different issues each side.



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DiggerDick

05-24-2010 20:40:23
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Bill_B_WS, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  
Had a similar problem with my MF 12, turned out to be a broken spring tensioner on back of baler right after the twine box. Just didnt keep enuf tension on twine when it was tying. Simple fix for an aggravating problem, the MF12 is a great little baler. Then again most balers are good when they are working right, lol Dick



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Showcrop

05-24-2010 15:22:03
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Bill_B_WS, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  
Have you run it by hand so that you can see exactly what is happening? There are many basic principles that apply to all balers and with a little more info someone here may be able to nail it down for you.



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495man

05-24-2010 14:49:14
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 Re: Massey Ferguson 12 Square Baler in reply to Bill_B_WS, 05-24-2010 14:04:52  
Bill hook is shiny, does it have a groove worn in it?

Is the knife sharp?

Is the twine tension too tight on both adjustments?



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