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4 wheel hay rake.......help

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Animal

06-26-2007 17:48:16




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I bought this three point hitch 4 wheel rake this spring and I am just now trying to use it. I am trying to rake wheat straw, and this thing will not cut the mustard. I have no idea what it is I have not found any markings on it, so I can not get an opperators manual and I will bet that I do not have it set up right. Will some one please shed some light on this... Thank you




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Kelly Campbell

06-27-2007 03:59:08




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 Re: 4 wheel hay rake.......help in reply to Animal, 06-26-2007 17:48:16  
Slide the rake in further towards the tractor so that its at more of an angle, I think that it'll help with this problem, If not let me know I've got one two.



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Animal

06-27-2007 07:57:53




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 Re: 4 wheel hay rake.......help in reply to Kelly Campbell, 06-27-2007 03:59:08  
I have trouble with it pulling the straw and not raking it, it helps some when I angle it more, but then I am not raking anything, also when it gets heavy the wheels stop turning, and then you are screwed, I have tried it on the ground, lifted a bit, on the ground works best, and then it plugs on the bars that hold the wheels, the straw is really not that thick, my old bar rake handles it fine, I really thought this would be good for my opperation, but so far it is dissapointing, Allan the humidity here is 86% so waiting for the dew to dissapear is a must... any thoughts?

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paul

06-27-2007 11:36:14




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 Re: 4 wheel hay rake.......help in reply to Animal, 06-27-2007 07:57:53  
I got a 5-wheel, same thing. Glad I still have the NH basket rake.

Each have their place, the 3pt wheel rake is great for thin stuff, bumpy or ditchbank areas.

Doesn't like thick, bunched stuff or windy days.

I had to angle the heck out of mine to get much accomplished too.

--->Paul



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Kelly Campbell

06-27-2007 04:03:39




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 Re: 4 wheel hay rake.......help in reply to Kelly Campbell, 06-27-2007 03:59:08  
Also Drive straight down the middle of the field and then turn around and come back on the other side of the windrow that you just made. then rake one half in the same manner and then the other. The rake the out side around the edges of the field. Depending on how the rake is set you will only be able to turn to either the right or left, one way will make a big ball, one will not. When raking either side of the windrow lift up the rake and reposition and then drop the rake and go. A carted V wheel rake works wonderfull, however the 4 wheel 3 pts for some reason don't do so well...

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Allan In NE

06-27-2007 02:26:16




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 Re: 4 wheel hay rake.......help in reply to Animal, 06-26-2007 17:48:16  
Hi Pard,

Slick grain straw right out of a combine is hard to handle under any circumstances and especially bad behind a rotary combine.

What's the rake doing/not doing?

Have you tried it early in the morning when the dew is down? That moisture sure helps tame the beast.

Allan



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Rexalot

06-29-2007 21:19:19




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 Re: 4 wheel hay rake.......help in reply to Allan In NE, 06-27-2007 02:26:16  
You've described the rake that I have, 3pt hitch with 4 wheels. Mine has a red frame with white tines. My rake was made by "Vicon". I know your frustration.

If it's the same as mine, the wheels are set in pairs on the main frame. Both pairs of wheels have pins that can be pulled that will allow you to change the position of the wheel pair to either trailing eachother or the inside wheel forward. There is also a T-bolt through a slotted cutout that will let you adjust the angle of the main frame. You can also flip the whole frame over, but that's harder to describe. Ultimately, you want the rake to look like this:

When sitting on your tractor seat and looking over your right shoulder the first rake wheel should be positioned just outside the right rear tire. The other three wheels should follow in an angle right behind the first. This setup will rake the hay to the left.

Now, do the "pairs" of wheels follow the angle of the main frame or do they stagger? If they don't follow the main frame, pull the pins that hold the pair to the main frame and "flip" the bar over, You will need the rake lifted up all the way on the 3 point. You will "roll" it through so to speak. Once you have the 4 wheels in a fashion where they follow eachother you need to set the angle. If yours is like mine, it will have 2 chains, one with a spring that connects the center link to the main frame. You should set the chains to pick the rake up as even as possible, with the rear wheel about 6 inches higher off the ground then the front when the entire rake is lifted.

From my 7 years of experience, this rake DOES NOT do well if it's adjusted to pull "flat" behind the tractor. The steeper you set the angle the better it will do. To rake well, the tines should just touch or contact the hard surface, not just the hay. It takes ground contact of some degree to impart motion on the wheel. I've also found that the faster you go, the farther it will turn the material over.

No matter how you set this rake up, IT WILL NOT rake around corners or through a turn of any great degree. It will drag the material along as the wheel speed drops in the turn.

If you need a picture of what the rake should look like I'll post one up. I don't have a manual I bought my rake used, and just experimented with mine over the years. It's supposed to be able to ted hay but I've never figured that one out.

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