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Corn Pickers - What were the best?

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Faber

06-25-2007 21:31:55
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Can someone give me a summary of the last large pull behind corn pickers that were made before self propelled combines. I would like to get a pto driven pull behind. Also, do they have some sort of sheller attachment on them to result in just the grain of corn being the product? Please help me on this research. New Idea?, John Deere?, Massey? Which were the best?

F McMullen, Texas




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Mr Bob

06-28-2007 12:35:26
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
I've picked a lot ofcorn with a New Idea #10 one row picker with an 8x16 wagon on behind with a low profile Massey Ferguson 65 gas. This rig was very satisfactory on these rolling hills in se Ohio. Only problem was I had to shovel the corn off the flat wagon into the elevato. This machine was very heavy for a single row picker, but it cleaned the ears well and had a great intake capacity.



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Rich Va

06-27-2007 05:46:35
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
Auction this Sat 06/30/07 Orangeburg SC.JD 300,NI 325 and NI 323. Pictures and details www.godleyauction.com



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James22

06-26-2007 19:45:25
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
A couple of final thoughts. The JD 237 was available with a sheller, I don't think a sheller was offered on the 300. If you go with the NI snapping unit and sheller, be sure to get the larger 329 sheller rather than the 314 on the two row 324 or 325. Although the 328 husking bed on the three row 330 is fine, my experience is that the 329 sheller is being stretched in 200 bu corn. The 329 should work great on the two row units. Had two complaints on the sheller. One was that it had a manual control gate similar to the old Ottawa shellers. In contrast the fine, old MM shellers had an automatic gate which would open or close depending on material flow, which is a better design. But with the three row 330, it wasn't too much of a concern because it was always being crowded; ie, the gate was fully open. The second is that the auger isn't long enough or high enough for 300+ bu wagons. I added a couple of feet the my auger but you will need to watch it when going dips with the snapping unit raised, it can hit the top of the wagon. A 250 bu wagon works better. Originally intended to do all the corn with the NI, but quickly changed my mine when I couldn't run over the corn and later back-track and get a reasonable amount. Opening by hand or gleaning after running over it, which we have done when I was a child, is now unacceptable. If you can get someone to open it with a combine then it will work good. My solution was to purchase a good axial flow combine with a 6 row head and parked the NI. Some believe the JD with the snapping plates shell alot less than the NI snapping rolls. I didn't really see that much shelling difference between the NI snapping rolls and the subsequent CIH corn head. Both were pretty low in my opinion and neither enough to cause concern.

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georgeky

06-26-2007 19:21:12
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
Faber, as I thought my one row is a 323. Wasn't sure,so I wanted to go look. I have pulled it with my Super C in good corn. The biggest trouble is when the wagon gets full it is quite a load on it.



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msb

06-26-2007 18:32:33
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 No Contest in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
John Deere 237 Mounted
John Deere 300 Pull Type



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Bob seND

06-26-2007 11:54:14
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
Those were the good old days--some parts of them.
Our surgeons used to take care of 1-2 arm amputations every fall from those old corn pickers. Use caution!!
Bob seND



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Blue Horse

06-26-2007 11:27:05
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
If speed is not an issue for you, the Oliver #5 one-row corn picker is pretty good. I have one that I bought about six years ago for one-hundred dollars, and it does a good job on areas that the combine had to leave due to wet conditions, as well as the acre or so around our house. I enjoy running it, and it brings back great memories of corn harvest with family members back when I was a kid.



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Lew Best

06-26-2007 09:23:16
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
I'd like to find one too (1 or 2 row would be fine); no real use for it but I "like stuff that other folks don't have." Wouldn't need to work; just reasonably complete so I could try to get it working & plant a little corn "just for fun." Could always feed the corn to pigs or something!

Lew near Waco, TX



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Doug in IL

06-26-2007 06:40:23
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
If you get into fairly high yielding corn, the JD 300 is the only one that will work very well at all. Those JD heads are wonderful. I had a New Idea Superpicker for 2 years. The gathering units on it were always trying to plug up. I had to drive very slowly. I do think the NI did husk slightly better than the JD. But, I was running a much slower ground speed with the New Idea too. In 200 bushel corn, the JD 300 will make it thru it. The New Idea won't. I was happy to see the New Idea go down the road to someone else. It doesn't matter much how well a machine will husk, if you can't get the corn into it!

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faber

06-26-2007 18:29:38
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Doug in IL, 06-26-2007 06:40:23  
Doug: Did the JD 300s come with a sheller?

Faber



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Doug in IL

06-26-2007 19:44:19
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to faber, 06-26-2007 18:29:38  
On a sheller for the JD 300, I don't know for sure, but I don't think so. I have never seen one so equipped. The 300 picker was introduced after the switch to combines for shelled corn was pretty much completed, in 1972. The New Idea 323, 324 & 325 machines came out in 1965. I know there are sheller attachments around for those.



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georgeky

06-26-2007 09:19:02
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Doug in IL, 06-26-2007 06:40:23  
Doug, I can tell you from personal experience that something was wrong with that New Idea if a 300 would out pick it. In 1983 I bought a brand new JD 300 and in dry corn it would pick fair. In the morning with dew on the fodder it was slow going as the shroud on the back of the husking bed would clog up with fodder. It did help to run it pushed up, but then it blew chaffe into the wagon. If your New Idea was clogging up the pins in the snapping rollers were broke. The JD head is a real outfit, but a good New Idea will pick circles around all three JD pickers I have had. 300,237 and an old one row pull type. Not sure of the model no of it.

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Doug in IL

06-26-2007 15:22:34
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to georgeky, 06-26-2007 09:19:02  
That is interesting. I have never had that shrouded chute plug up. I imagine you had a slow speed sprocket on the head drive. JD 40 series cornheads have to run fast. You want those stalks ripped straight down very quickly. That, and you need to run the deck plate spacing on the narrow side, but not too narrow. You want those stalks running thru there in single file. If the head is set up right, you will get very little fodder into the machine at all. About half the ears will be pretty well husked right at the head. A combine's variable speed feeder house will quickly show the differences in head speeds. I don't think there was anything wrong with my New Idea. Other than it's just much older technology. I once picked some poor corn for a neighbor (130-140 bushel) and the NI worked fine.

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georgeky

06-26-2007 17:35:23
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Doug in IL, 06-26-2007 15:22:34  
Doug, I never had any trouble with the head taking corn, it would take it as fast as you drove. The husking bed was the trouble. My picker was set up by My JD dealor and I made adjustments on it after that myself, by the book. I still say and I do know , have used them both extensively that the New Idea will pick circles around the 300 JD, in any corn. Unless the bolts in the snapping rollers are broken the NI will not plug up with fodder. And as far as husking, some corn will husk better than other. I have picked corn that didn't even need a husking bed with either picker. The only other new 300 sold in this county was also replaced with a New Idea. Keep in mind this is only my opinion based on using them both for several years.

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Doug in IL

06-26-2007 20:11:39
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to georgeky, 06-26-2007 17:35:23  
George, what I am trying to say, is that if the corn head is set up properly, and in good mechanical condition, there will be a minimal amount of trash for the husking bed to deal with. If you run a JD head so slow that it is using some of the forward motion of the machine to pull the ears off the stalks, like the slow roll speed on most pickers, you will have lots of trash to deal with. And problems with an overloaded husking bed. I think that may have been the problem you had. The JD head works best when you see that stalk go vertically straight down, very fast. To do that, the head speed has to be just slightly faster than ground speed. Never slower. And, this too, is just my opinion! I am enjoying the discussion.

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georgeky

06-28-2007 16:29:40
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Doug in IL, 06-26-2007 20:11:39  
Doug, my head worked exactly as you describe. The same way the one on our combine did. The husking bed just would not keep up with the NI bed. No dought the JD has A far and away the better gathering unit, but the husking bed is another matter all together. I picked with the JD for 11 years and this NI will out pick it on any day in any corn. Maybe the one you have is better than the one I had.



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James22

06-26-2007 12:28:07
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to georgeky, 06-26-2007 09:19:02  
I'm with George on this one. Never had any problem with my NI 330 in 200 bu corn, although 200 bu didn't happen everyday. NI outsold the JD version by an embarrasing margin, in any area that I've been. However any of the southern states including Kentucky certainly isn't within my area of "expertise".



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georgeky

06-26-2007 13:48:40
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to James22, 06-26-2007 12:28:07  
James, 200 bushel corn is very rare here in this part of Ky, but that JD picker I had, had trouble in 150 bushel corn. Especially in the mornings with wet fodder. It did do quite a bit better in the afternoon, but still would not come close to a New Idea or IH. The only time we ever clogged the NI is when those bolts in the snapping rollers would shear. Then it would pull the corn up by the roots. I sold the JD for a fraction of what it cost and have used New idea since. I would assume that parts are hard to find now for the JD. I had trouble getting some in the early 90's.

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Larry in Mo

06-26-2007 05:28:06
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
In the late 50's I had a IH 2ME mounted on a M Farmall that was a corn picking fool. Whether that translated to their pull types, I don't know. Would think so. I know you said pull type, but if you want a collectors item and can find one a New Idea Uni-Picker or a Massey Harris self propelled would be the "cat's meow". LE



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faber

06-26-2007 18:17:32
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Larry in Mo, 06-26-2007 05:28:06  
Larry: I'm trying to get away from engines so I don't want anything self propelled. I have a self propelled Massey Combine with corn head and grain head, but I'm getting ready to junk it. It's just TOO much trouble to keep going. Thanks for your input. This has be SO interesting for me.
Faber



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glennster

06-26-2007 06:54:16
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Larry in Mo, 06-26-2007 05:28:06  
we had a massey self propelled years ago, real good picker, 2 row. had a second one bought at a sale with a bad motor, used it for parts. then went to a i-h 400 with a mounted new idea picker, guy from wisconsin came down and bought both masseys. seemed like the new idea pull type was the other popular one in our area too. only thing i dint like about the mounted picker was if the fields got wet from the fall rains, you'd get stuck real quick, real deep. then....unhook the wagon, drag the picker out, go again..... ah the good ole days!!! h would be on the elevator, m hauling wagons, up in the crib moving the chutes...fun fun fun!!!!

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dboll

06-26-2007 05:04:29
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
324 New Idea for wide rows 325 for narrow, 300JD



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BLH

06-26-2007 03:49:59
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
My father in law in central Illinois has a New Idea with both a husking bed and a sheller unit that he would like to sell. If you are interested, let me know, and I will get more info from him.



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Lew Best

06-27-2007 15:09:45
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to BLH, 06-26-2007 03:49:59  
if faber isn't interested I might be

Lew (also in TX)



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faber

06-26-2007 04:27:24
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 Re: Corn Pickers - Your father-in-law's New Idea in reply to BLH, 06-26-2007 03:49:59  
I would most certainly be interested. I need to know what model it is and when it was made (year if possible). When did he last use it and what shape is it in? Texas is a long way from Illinois so I wouldn't be interested unless it is in really tip top shape. And, I would love to see some digital photos. Thanks for mentioning it.

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Faber



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paul

06-25-2007 22:30:17
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-25-2007 21:31:55  
New Idea.

They have a sheller attachment as well, tho it is slow going & not as popular as ear corn. They had a few other options as well, very rare to find.

John Deere does get an honorable mention, pretty good picker as well. They used the same header as the small combines, so were very good at picking off the cob without shelling.

However NI had a better husking bed.

--->Paul



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sd pete

06-26-2007 06:47:38
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to paul, 06-25-2007 22:30:17  
Years ago i used to do some custom shelling. i dont know if i would give the deere honorable mention. more husk in the crib than corn i think.



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georgeky

06-26-2007 13:57:05
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to sd pete, 06-26-2007 06:47:38  
Sorry Pete, I was replying to you.



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georgeky

06-26-2007 13:55:17
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to sd pete, 06-26-2007 06:47:38  
Paul, I had that trouble with them too. We put new husking rollers in that old one row and it still shelled corn and left more husk than it took off. The 300 done it brand new. The 327 came on a 730 that I bought and I used it once and sold it to a guy for 200 dollars. A good one row NI will pick more corn than that thing would. Would almost pick as much as the 300.



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georgeky

06-26-2007 05:05:37
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to paul, 06-25-2007 22:30:17  
I have had two JD pickers and niether will even get in the field with a New Idea or IH 234. The head is top notch, but someone should have taught them how to build a husking bed. Slowest picker ever made. Now if you had a JD head and a Super picker husking bed you would have something.



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faber

06-26-2007 18:22:15
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to georgeky, 06-26-2007 05:05:37  
George: Can you please be more specific on the model of New Idea picker you're recommending?

Thanks
Faber



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Faber

06-26-2007 03:46:00
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to paul, 06-25-2007 22:30:17  
Paul: Thanks for the feedback. What model of New Idea and John Deere would you be talking about for the latest models that were built. How can I learn more about these?
Faber



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georgeky

06-26-2007 19:10:40
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 Re: Corn Pickers - What were the best? in reply to Faber, 06-26-2007 03:46:00  
Any of the later ones are very goo machines. It depends if you want a one row or two row , narrow or wide if you are looking for a two row. Like mentione above the 324 for wide and 325 for narrow. The one I have is a 324. I also have a one row, but am not sure of the model number. I will go to the barn and see if I can find the number on it. Will post back my findings in a little while. Keep in mind this is all just my opinion from using both JD and NI. To tell the truth neither one of those will pick with the 234 IH, but it is a mounted two row picker and a little hard to get parts for.

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