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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake

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Loren P

06-27-2006 13:00:10
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Anyone have any experience with the belt drive New idea hay rakes? I'm probably going to buy one so I can retire my old steel wheel IH rake before it falls apart. I found one for $300 that looks to be in good shape, except most of the paint has turned to rust. It has a big round belt to drive from a pulley on the axle, and the belt looks good. I've been looking for a NH style side delivery rake for a while, but they're too far out of my price range for the little that I would be using it on my 5 acre field. I'm going to try swathing my field with a sickle mower instead of windrowing with a mower/conditioner, as I've had problems getting the clover/grass/alfalfa mix to dry in windrows. Any advice for raking into windrows?

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Loren P

06-28-2006 08:05:00
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
I bought the 402 rake last night, and pulled it home. I need to replace about 20 teeth that are missing or bent, but I found that they're only about $1.50 each. I found a manual for the rake at the local tractor salvage yard for $10, so I should be ready to go. The drive belt looks good, and the bearings seem to be OK too.

Our MF36 mower/conditioner has approx. 12' table, but the conditioner rollers are approx. 4'. The rollers are rubber, so I don't know how much crimp they really put in the hay. My problem has been that the hay will build up on one of the drapers, then a big pile will feed at one time into the conditioner, either clogging it up or leaving a 3' high spot in the windrow. In the areas of the field where I have more clover, the grass & alfalfa are lower so the windrows are thinner. Even so, when I flip the row over after 2 or 3 dry days the clover will be wet and starting to rot. Speed of mowering doesn't matter, since I don't have much to mow. If it takes me 4 or 6 hours to mow with the sickle what used to take 2 hours on the moco, it doesn't matter. probably better, since I get to spend more time on the tractor.

Any suggestions on how to rake the swath from the sickle mower into windrows?

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RayP(MI)

06-28-2006 16:29:00
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-28-2006 08:05:00  
I have a NI 3pt, pto driven rake. Uses a belt to get power from pto pulley to star wheel on front. I have had good results. Rake was old and fence row worn when I got it, had to replace many teeth over several years, and the belt. Otherwise, works excellently. 3pt mount is great, "cause you can pick up rake, and drive off the field when you finish. Also it makes very nice sweeping turns that are easy to follow with baler. I would not shy away from a belt drive on a rake. On raking, I usually follow the same swath pattern laid down by my sickle bar mower. Outside windrow, I turn in, then turn around and rake all other windrows outward. That leaves the first a windrow double, and I usually bale it last, so it has more time to dry.

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Walter Squires

06-28-2006 07:39:40
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
I had a couple in the past and there is nothing wrong with them. One neat feature they had was you could change the basket speed by changing the shims in the drive sprocket, Ford sold this same rake made by New Idea just painted blue. If I remember correctly they just one handle to raise and lower the basket which I liked, I beleive there was also a hydraulic lift kit avaiable for them.



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Don-Wi

06-28-2006 00:07:30
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
What knid of moco do you have now? If you have one with full width crimping rolls, that'll dry down faster than cutting it with a sickle bar. Espescially if you can lay the windrows wide open. If you have one that only has narrow crimping roll sin comparison to the width of the machine, it's a toss-up but I'd still rather use a moco.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Edd in Kentucky

06-27-2006 16:37:20
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
I have 2 of the belt driven rakes. They work great, cost less to buy, are easy to repair and parts are available. The belt which is the guts of the drive system costs less than $100 and last about 20 years. Not sure I should tell you this...don't want to raise the price at auction.



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Michael Soldan

06-27-2006 16:04:58
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
Loren, I have one and I think it is a great rake. Parts are still available and it has been a very servicable rake. I put a drawbar in my 3 point and lower it, then set the rake so the teeth are running where I want them, then when I go raking I just use the 3 point to raise and lower the rake rather than cranking it up and down. Those round belts seem to last forever. For flipping the rows upside down I take the first four rows of teeth off of each bar and run the tail of the rake in the swath, can flip it almost perfectly upside down. I had my rake given to me because it had all damaged teeth(tines), I bought a box of new teeth and in about two hours I had a decent rake ready to go. Good luck with your rake, I'm sure you'll like it....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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RodInNS

06-27-2006 14:14:58
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
Can't tell you anything about the rake. However, you could try opening the swath deflectors out on the mower/conditioner. You should be able to lay down a near full width swath, or at least the width of the conditioner. I'd think that a good deal more productive than mowing with a straight sickle bar mower...

Rod



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RickB

06-27-2006 13:36:36
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
I used to own one. I liked it; in some conditions it worked better than my NH 56 because the basket speed is slower in relation to ground speed than the NH rake.



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old

06-27-2006 13:29:20
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 Re: New Idea 402 belt drive hay rake in reply to Loren P, 06-27-2006 13:00:10  
Only thing I can say is after you cut it leave it lay a day or 2 depending on how hot/dry it is. Then after the dew drys on the 2nd or 3rd day rake it in the morning and bale that after noon if it is dry enough. I just cut some down this morning and will probably bale tomorrow or thusday not sure till I see how its drying

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