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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

Engine powered hay balers?

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Grub0927

06-17-2006 21:50:22
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Can someone explain hay balers that are powered by their own gas or diesel engines? Why would you use one instead a PTO driven one? I just came home from a trip through California and many of the balers had engines on them and they were being pulled by six cylinder diesel tractors. When you have all that HP on the tractor why burn the extra fuel?
I'm old school; used a JD 14T, 214T and 336 twine baler and that's it.

Thanks for your input.

Grub

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BobG in VA

06-19-2006 16:47:39
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
Obviously you're not "old school" enough....I don't even want to think about how many thousand bales we used to do with that old red baler with that V-4 Wisconsin engine. Would blow perfect smoke rings when it first fired up and not sure which killed my hearing first: the JD A that pulled it or the sound that Wisconsin made about every 4 seconds as the governor would open up and then close.....Anyone else remember that....???BobG in VA

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Crem

06-19-2006 21:23:56
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to BobG in VA, 06-19-2006 16:47:39  
We had a Case baler with a Wisconsin engine when I grew up. That engine would sure run sweet. The only problem was that it could not be started when warm. If we sheared the shear pin the engine had to be turned off to replace it. That meant that if the hay needed to be made that day, we would have to hook on to the hay loader and make loose hay.



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marty g.

06-19-2006 05:08:31
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
A neighbor of us use to have horses in front of is engine powered Case baler. I think the Amish community do that also.



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sammy the RED

06-18-2006 20:12:36
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
Your 14,214 and 336 baler's were manufactured with the motor option also.

Not so old school ?



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Grub0927

06-19-2006 08:57:03
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to sammy the RED, 06-18-2006 20:12:36  
OK, The first baler I was ever around was my Dad's NH Super77 with a V4 Wisconsin engine. Impossible to make hay with that thing and it seemed like for every hour it baled hay we had to work on it for five. Helicopters don't require that much maintenance.
The first baler I ever used that WORKED was a JD 14T, PTO driven. I was 15 at the time and thought I had gone to heaven. I didn't even mind loading hay by hand I was so happy.

Thanks again. Grub

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Bus Driver

06-18-2006 12:55:40
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
The 8N Ford has been mentioned, a very popular tractor, lots of them were sold and used. They did not have live PTO, when the clutch was depressed, the PTO stopped. If the PTO baler encountered a large accumulation of hay at one place, the operator had to stop, shift to neutral, release the clutch to run the PTO, depress the clutch, shift into gear, move forward maybe 3 feet, stop, shift to neutral, etc. With the baler having it's own engine, the operator simply had to use the clutch to move the tractor as needed- no shifting. Additionally, in hilly areas, simply towing the baler uphill might be about all the tractor could do anyway.

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old

06-18-2006 07:50:06
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
Well did you know that you could get a JD14T with its own engine. Of course back when the 14T was built there where a lot of smaller tractors like the Ford 8N which needed the engine on the baler to really be able to do a good job of baleing and not over work the tractor.



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Brendon

06-18-2006 04:24:13
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
The three-string balers used primarily on the west coast have traditionally been self-powered, usually with Deutz air-cooled diesels. In this commercial market they want every bale to have the same number of flakes so infinitely variable speed is required. The self-powered design allows the tractor throttle to be used to achieve this. Since the baler is completely self-contained, folks can also get creative with the "tractor" used with theses balers. I have seen them being pulled with old 4WD pickups that have all the sheetmetal removed. Just a frame, engine and drivetrain, and a seat!

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Jimmy King

06-18-2006 01:22:09
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Grub0927, 06-17-2006 21:50:22  
The best reason I can think of is you can adjust your ground speed to what ever you want and run the baler the same speed all the time.



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ken Macfarlane

06-19-2006 11:48:45
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 Re: Engine powered hay balers? in reply to Jimmy King, 06-18-2006 01:22:09  
Ah the wonders of having a hydrostatic to bale with.



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