David from Kansas
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This is on an auction. Says it is a Model 428 deluxe. What year would it be? Have never in my many years here in wheat country seen a Cockshutt combine, not to say that they didn't exist, just rare.
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This is on an auction. Says it is a Model 428 deluxe. What year would it be? Have never in my many years here in wheat country seen a Cockshutt combine, not to say that they didn't exist, just rare.
That?s because you live in Kansas. Cockshutt is a Canadian company. Before the scrappers came through I knew of at least 5 of them around here and I know there was more of them back in the old days just talking to people around here. But then again we farm 3 miles from the border. The combine would be from the late 50s.
David from Kansas
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How about Versatile combines? Remember many years ago at a big farm show there was one there and it looked like it had been patterned off of a 95 JD. But never saw one in use around here. This was probably in the early 1970's. Anyone have a picture?
I've been told the 430 and 431 was also a Cockshutt design. Rusty6 posted this on a different forum and it shows the 431 was being tested in 1961. White bought Cockshutt out in 1962 the same year the 431 hit the market. It would make sense anyway because the last Cockshutt combine of the old Massey design was the 429 so it would make since to go up to the 430/431 in this new model.
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Thats a dandy 428 Cockshutt...Dont let the junkers get it...My 428 Cockshutt came from WaKeeney,KS and I knew of another one in that area...Several years ago I watched a nice 428 sell for scrap at Udall,KS..I also once knew of several other Cockshutt and Co-op combines in Kansas..My 110 Cockshutt came from St Joseph,KS...Kansas had some good Cockshutt dealers..
There were a few Cockshutts and a few Versatiles around here (north central ND), not sure where the Cockshutts came from, probably sneaked south across the Manitoba, ND border.
The Versatiles were likely sold out of Farmers Union Oil Co in Rolla, ND.
Saw a "transaxial" being demoed a few times around this part of the country, as well
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RedRoundhead
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That is a beauty - you should buy it, and keep it covered in a nice shed between uses.
The paint looks exceptional in the picture. White paint rarely stays white, and that white looks great.
Hope to see some pictures of you driving it soon!
The paint looks exceptional in the picture. White paint rarely stays white, and that white looks great.
Hope to see some pictures of you driving it soon!
Ryan Renko
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Somebody needs to buy that!!! Dont let the scrappers get it. that jewel needs to be in a museum. Ryan
David from Kansas
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The combine brought $1900. Was not in running condition. Came with some extra parts.
Jim in Sask
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That's a good looking example of a 428. My dad bought a new 428 in 1957, price was C$7,020. He had Cockshutts all his farming years starting with a #6 pull type which was the first Cockshutt combine and ending with a 1973 7800 which was the last year the "Cockshutt" nameplate appeared on combines, replaced by "White" only.
To be honest that 428 had some weak spots, bearings, etc. The "airplane" type tires wouldn't sink in mud - they'd just sit on top of the mud and spin. The header auger spiral met in the middle, no fingers, so it wadded the swath up the centre, plugging the feeder house and cylinder.
The 428 was replaced with an early 431 which was twice the machine. The 431's were solely a Cockshutt design, completed prior to Oliver's takeover of Cockshutt. This was confirmed in the book written by Bill Cockshutt.
To be honest that 428 had some weak spots, bearings, etc. The "airplane" type tires wouldn't sink in mud - they'd just sit on top of the mud and spin. The header auger spiral met in the middle, no fingers, so it wadded the swath up the centre, plugging the feeder house and cylinder.
The 428 was replaced with an early 431 which was twice the machine. The 431's were solely a Cockshutt design, completed prior to Oliver's takeover of Cockshutt. This was confirmed in the book written by Bill Cockshutt.
RedRoundhead
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Sounds like it will live on in someones collection. 👍🏽
There had to have been some connection between Cockshutt and Massey or at least their engineering teams. The Massey design was an unique design and the Cockshutt 112 was as close to a copy as you can get without just changing the paint and decals. Maybe with both being Canadian companies they kind of helped each other out.
Jim in Sask
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As far as I know Cockshutt didn't have a retractable-finger header auger until the 431 came out. The 112 I think had a couple of flat pieces between the auger flights in the middle, sort of a saw tooth thing if I recall correctly. If the 428 would have had retractable fingers it would have worked a lot better, especially in heavy, swathed crops.
My dad told me there was a story going around how Cockshutt hired away a Massey engineer who had helped design the 21, hence the similarity. Maybe just an old myth, idk. Both combine plants were in Brandtford, Ontario so I'm sure each knew what the other was doing.
I mentioned a Cockshutt book earlier - "About Cockshutt" is written by William H. Cockshutt, a member of the founding family. It gives a good, inside look at the company. I ordered my copy directly from Mr. Cockshutt, he was very pleasant to deal with. I told him of my dad's first Model #6 combine. He said not many had heard of the #6 which was essentially a rebadged Frost and Woods machine. The subsequent #7 was more well-known.
My dad told me there was a story going around how Cockshutt hired away a Massey engineer who had helped design the 21, hence the similarity. Maybe just an old myth, idk. Both combine plants were in Brandtford, Ontario so I'm sure each knew what the other was doing.
I mentioned a Cockshutt book earlier - "About Cockshutt" is written by William H. Cockshutt, a member of the founding family. It gives a good, inside look at the company. I ordered my copy directly from Mr. Cockshutt, he was very pleasant to deal with. I told him of my dad's first Model #6 combine. He said not many had heard of the #6 which was essentially a rebadged Frost and Woods machine. The subsequent #7 was more well-known.
Roger - Kansas
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I will probably make someone mad with this comment.
I placed a bid on this combine so it wouldn't go to the scrapper. I didn't get it but the auctioneer told me it went to a collector. I'm good with that.
I placed a bid on this combine so it wouldn't go to the scrapper. I didn't get it but the auctioneer told me it went to a collector. I'm good with that.
1923 Gleaner
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Why would someone get mad that you left a bid? I've never gotten mad with someone bidding against me at an auction. The auction is the most open way to sell there is. I've been both out bid and have been the last man standing. Either way you got a deal or made the other guy pay top dollar. Don't see why someone should get mad.
By the way Roger are you going to trade me the G and GB Minnies?
J. Schwiebert
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Jim: Could you send me an e-mail please? I see where Mr. Cockshutt just died.
gtractorfan
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Our neighbor had a Cockshutt way back in those days. Also had a corn head that cut and ran 4 rows with the entire stocks thru the combine. As I remember it had vertical rolls on each side of the rows.
Jim in Sask
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Sorry I don't see an e-mail address on your bio page and personal message thing is apparently disabled.
I just checked for his obit - lots of history gone with Mr. Cockshutt. When I ordered the book (in response to articles about him and his book in a couple farm newspapers published up here) he was living in Wolseley, Sask which is east of Regina on the Trans-Canada highway. I believe his wife was originally from there. After being a Cockshutt combine nut ever since I was a kid it was a real treat to have a brief corrspondence with him.
Jim in Sask
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J Schweibert: I found a way to e-mail on the Classic View, I tried sending you an e-mail. Don't know if I got it right or not.
Tom from Ontario
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Massey and Harris merged in 1891 and Harris was based in Brantford as was Cockshutt. MH maintained some manufacturing in Brantford but greatly expanded because they were getting hemmed in by development in Toronto. MH had a few depots around the west end of Toronto as they had very little warehousing area at their plant on King St. West; which has become some of the expensive real estate in Canada. ALL of the Oliver MM and Cockshutt combines were built in Brantford after White took over and when Massey was going through their agonies in the late 70's and white was sinking, it made sense to acquire their rotary technology. Massey had acquired smaller manufacturers all through the late 19th and early 20th century, Verity ploughs, Dain wagons and a lot of their threshing machines, if not most were built by the George White Co. of London, Ontario. MH owned competition ploughing in Canada for a long time and their grain binders were second to none. Hard to say who copied who.
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