New Idea Super Sheller corn picker pictures and info wanted

3DSculptor · Apr 22, 2015

Hi all,
I recently posted here asking for pictures of a John Deere 30 combine and received a great deal of help with my project.

I'm a 3D modeler and I make farm equipment for a farming simulator. I'm interested in modeling a New Idea Super Sheller corn picker.

I'm not concerned about a specific model as long as it shells the corn and is a tow behind harvester that can be pulled by older tractors in the 20 - 50 HP range.
I would like pictures that show the harvester from all sides with close ups of the working components like gears etc. It would be a great help since there are not many on the internet. Also, specs such as size, wheelbase, harvest speed, rpm etc would be helpful.

If you want to see my last project completed, here is the link to the topic where you can see examples of the model and a video of it working in the simulator. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks

http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1198242

gtractorfan · Apr 23, 2015

I don't know exactly what you're looking for. I have this toy, took a few pictures of it.

3DSculptor · Apr 23, 2015

(quoted from post at 19:24:50 04/23/15) I don't know exactly what you're looking for. I have this toy, took a few pictures of it.

Wow that is a really detailed toy. Very amazing. I was looking for pictures of the real thing though so I can make the model as realistic as possible. I appreciate the pictures. I bet that toy was expensive.

Tim(nj) · Apr 24, 2015

I don't have a supersheller to take pictures of, but if you want the simulator to be accurate, 50 HP is the minimum to run one. 70+ works even better.

3DSculptor · Apr 24, 2015

Thanks for the info Tim. I didn't know it took that much HP. Do you know of any trailed picker & shellers that can operate on less than 50? (example: Farmall 300 42 HP) It doesn't have to be new idea.

Tim(nj) · Apr 24, 2015

This is a video of a late 40s-early 50s JI Case picker sheller. This one will work with a smaller tractor and I feel it is a more interesting machine than the New Idea.
JI Case IS picker sheller

Tim(nj) · Apr 24, 2015

Or maybe this Minneapolis-Moline from the 50s
MM picker sheller

paul · Apr 24, 2015

I owned several corn pickers. I'm not totally sure if you want an ear corn picker or a picker that shells the corn into kernels....

We ran the NI 6a pulled by the Farmall 300 for many years. With 100bu wooded barge boxes behind. Was pretty well a very nice match.

The NI 300 was a bit of a load for it.

Was almost too much when I switched to 200bu gravity boxes. Worked in nice weather but was at the limit of what it would pull.

It would not pull the NI 325 or 324 pickers with 12 row huskers. This works nice with my ford 5200 (60hp).

Note that a wagon of ear corn only holds half as many by as a wagon full of shell corn, and it is rare to ever get a wagon full out to the rear
corners so the wagon is a little lighter to pull than one would think....

The 6a has a few pieces hanging on the shop wall. The rest are still around here as mostly working, but again these are ear corn pickers, I
think you want a sheller version?

Paul

sideconsole4020guy · Apr 24, 2015

(reply to post at 21:56:19 04/22/15)

3DSculptor · Apr 25, 2015

(quoted from post at 18:57:28 04/24/15) This is a video of a late 40s-early 50s JI Case picker sheller. This one will work with a smaller tractor and I feel it is a more interesting machine than the New Idea.
JI Case IS picker sheller

Those are some crazy looking machines. Either of them would definitely be unique. Do you have any photos of either of them from all the different sides? In order to make a model realistic I need to see all sides. I don't pretend to know anything about farm equipment so I have to ask how the MM picker sheller is usable with <50 HP tractor and the NI sheller isn't. The MM seems to be a monster of a machine so there must be a reason not to do with size ?

I owned several corn pickers. I'm not totally sure if you want an ear corn picker or a picker that shells the corn into kernels....

We ran the NI 6a pulled by the Farmall 300 for many years. With 100bu wooded barge boxes behind. Was pretty well a very nice match.

The NI 300 was a bit of a load for it.

Was almost too much when I switched to 200bu gravity boxes. Worked in nice weather but was at the limit of what it would pull.

It would not pull the NI 325 or 324 pickers with 12 row huskers. This works nice with my ford 5200 (60hp).

Note that a wagon of ear corn only holds half as many by as a wagon full of shell corn, and it is rare to ever get a wagon full out to the rear
corners so the wagon is a little lighter to pull than one would think....

The 6a has a few pieces hanging on the shop wall. The rest are still around here as mostly working, but again these are ear corn pickers, I
think you want a sheller version?

Paul

I can get you lots of pictures of our 324 but it doesn't have a sheller, it has a 12 row husking bed. Here is one picture

Thanks for the info Paul and sideconsole4020guy. I really need a sheller due the simulator setup of the "fruits". Corn is set up as kernels in the game. All the particles systems in the game are taken from the maps. Custom fruits like corn cobs can be made to work and are possible. However, if the picker with custom corn cob fruits was used on a map with only default fruits it would not function at all and it would not be compatible with any equipment not using the custom fruit. In other words, it would be a limited use mod that would only work on maps and equipment such as wagons that have that customized fruit. I've considered doing a corn picker with ears in the past but always end up with the same limitations so that's why I'm looking for a picker/sheller.

coonie minnie · Apr 25, 2015

Dad had a few of those back in the day... and that toy is extremely accurate.

If you are modeling that for a computer simulator, make sure the simulation includes plugging the head and breakdowns every few loads. Or a full gravity box stuck at the far end of the field. There's a
reason there aren't a whole lot of photos!

gtractorfan · Apr 25, 2015

Over the years I collected quite a few toys. I wish I'd put a sticker on the bottoms of when, how much and maybe where I got them. This one wasn't very expensive but I don't remember the price. What I do remember is, for the short time (limited production apparently) this one was available there was also an ear corn version available, wish I'd got one of those too. My dad-in-law worked at New Idea back when they were making those and had those.

3DSculptor · Apr 25, 2015

(quoted from post at 05:33:41 04/25/15) Dad had a few of those back in the day... and that toy is extremely accurate.

If you are modeling that for a computer simulator, make sure the simulation includes plugging the head and breakdowns every few loads. Or a full gravity box stuck at the far end of the field. There's a
reason there aren't a whole lot of photos!

That is actually possible to do

There have been equipment such as round balers that jam up if you go too fast etc.

According to Tim(nj) this picker sheller requires more HP then I though so I think I will try starting another topic for any model and see what happens. Thank you all for your input.

coonie minnie · Apr 25, 2015

Ours was usually powered by a 4020. The sheller took more power than the picker, and the wagon was heavier, too, as the corn was more dense. I get what you are trying
to do, but I think you will find most all picker shellers had at least 50 hp or more to run them. For example, you rarely see a 227 or 237 Deere with less than a 720
equivalent to power it when they had the 50 sheller attachment on the back.

Dad did about 400 acres a year with the NI rig for a few years.

3DSculptor · Apr 25, 2015

(quoted from post at 09:23:20 04/25/15) Ours was usually powered by a 4020. The sheller took more power than the picker, and the wagon was heavier, too, as the corn was more dense. I get what you are trying
to do, but I think you will find most all picker shellers had at least 50 hp or more to run them. For example, you rarely see a 227 or 237 Deere with less than a 720
equivalent to power it when they had the 50 sheller attachment on the back.

Dad did about 400 acres a year with the NI rig for a few years.

If that is true that all picker/shellers require 50+ hp then I may need to create a self-propelled one. I've seen videos of those.

tim52160 · Apr 26, 2015

I think in the original litature they show them being pulled by a farmall or a D 19 ac. When i picked corn , first with wd pulling a NI#7 and flatbed wagon with sides then A d17 and a 325 NI with 8 roll husking bed and the same wagons . Since i had no help i would fill the wagons up to the side and then some. But never got a chance yet to pull a pull behind sheller.Someone put some of the dealer litature online before, You can check this sites adds and ebay too for litature with the pics.

coonie minnie · Apr 26, 2015

You are right that the MM machine is a relatively big machine... but note the rig isn't trailing a full gravity box.

Instead, you see the Wd pulling it downhill, with no mud. The grain tank on that MM machine isn't all that big, either.

3DSculptor · Apr 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 19:44:26 04/26/15) You are right that the MM machine is a relatively big machine... but note the rig isn't trailing a full gravity box.

Instead, you see the Wd pulling it downhill, with no mud. The grain tank on that MM machine isn't all that big, either.

Ahhh yes, that makes sense. So it has to do with what you are pulling as much as how much HP it takes to run the machine? Maybe I can do the Case or the MM if I can find pictures of one. I would need a lot of pictures though, it's full of pulleys, gears and other things.

jd-tom · Jun 18, 2015

That toy is a nice model but not completely accurate. That model is "mostly" of a mid-1960's vintage Superpicker (note the older-style New
Idea emblems). The Supersheller was not available until the early/mid 1970's so that is incorrect. Next, the wagon auger on a Supersheller
did not have the long brace rods on it. These rods were used on the "medium-duty" 314 sheller that was the "correct" sheller for this model
of picker/sheller. Then, the auger comes out of the far RH bottom of the rear of the sheller - both shellers that I have been discussing here
have the auger coming out of the center bottom. If you hooked a toy wagon behind that unit, the auger would not even be over the wagon!

As far as detailing and such, that toy model is pretty good. It was made by Spec-Cast out of plastic resin (like the MM and JD corn shellers
they made later). IIRC, it cost around $100 when it was new - no idea what they are worth now. I considered purchasing one back when they
were new, but decided against it because there were too many things "incorrect" with it.

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